Pfizer vaccine is junk nor tested for safety otherwise

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  1. CenterField

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    Attacking you? I just said your insistence was annoying.
    Have a nice day, fellow. Over and out.
     
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    You appeared to be hyperventilating.
     
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    The Orange Oaf still thinks he can win in January--or so he says as he relieves the suckers of tens of millions to fund his retirement. :roflol:
     
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    Sure, but haven't there been questions over just exactly how COVID deaths are counted? Haven't some people who merely died WITH COVID not FROM COVID been counted?
     
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    Like in Washington State where they discovered some deaths listed as CV-19 died from gunshot wounds.
     
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    Beats me. Comorbidities are the leverage point for most covid deaths. But the cause is still given to covid. Variances aside, the numbers are probably pretty close to true.
     
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    Misrepresenting cause of death has been one of the cornerstones of the scam since the beginning.
     
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    Could be some folks went 'round the bend after hearing wayyyy to many conspiracy theories. :no: :puke:
     
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    Propaganda Alert!

    Another conspiracy claim. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    Oh yeah...

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    What's with you, anyway? There's no evidence the virus mutation renders the vaccines "useless."
     
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    Whoa!

    I think this should be clarified for people who might not understand. "Masks with valves" (respirators) protect the user and can typically be used with masks over top to protect others.

    Your point about a respirator by itself not protecting others is important.
     
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    Good point.

    Yes, respirators usually have nothing to impede or filter air flow away from the wearer - unfortunately, the primary purpose of a mask worn for COVID.

    A mask with a valve is not a respirator, of course.

    There are fabric masks on the market today that have valves that work the same way - they don't impede or filter exhaled air, and thus fail at the primary task of a mask worn for COVID. It's like wearing a mask that has a great big hole in it positioned for the wearer to breath through!
     
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    OK - good point! thanks.

    I keep thinking that a respirator has an actual filter cartridge. I sprayed cabinets, doors, wood trim, etc., to work may way through college. In that biz, a respirator without a cartridge would be worthless.

    What I was trying to identify is that when there is a valve to allow the wearer to breath out unimpeded it isn't doing the job that COVID masks are supposed to do.
     
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    They are designed to protect the wearer, which when combined with a properly chosen filter will do, to make breathing easier and to protect the filters from being backwashed a check valve is provided.

    Normally I do not cover my face at all, but when I travel to more infected places like Ft Myers or Broward County, I wear a 3M respirator with the proper filters to protect me from the virus.
     
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    This is an old, old problem.

    Medical science has needed good answers to this question ever since anyone cared about data, epidemiology, public health, etc.

    As it turns out, the final mechanism of death is not necessarily a legitimate representation for the reason for that death.

    Writing off COVID deaths as pneumonia or whatever is just plain nonsense.
     
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    The primary purpose of wearing a mask for COVID is to reduce exhaled droplets.

    Valves allowing unimpeded exhaling defeat that primary purpose.
     
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    On the other hand and is happening much more is writing off deaths from other problems such a being shot as a CV-19 death, to make the problem worse medical facilities are incentivized to classify a death as CV-19 as it increases what they can get paid by the government for treating the person who died.
     
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    No the primary purpose for wearing a respirator is to protect me, not others, that is their responsibility, not mine.
     
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    But you can combine a respirator with a surgical mask to protect yourself and others.
     
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    What evidence do you have that a significant "writing off deaths from other problems..." is occurring?
     
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    In other cases, sure.

    In the case of COVID, the mask requirement is for you to protect others.

    THAT is why the mask requirement exists.

    In fact, the CDC and others have pointed out that the effectiveness of masks required for COVID in protecting the wearer is weak at best.

    There is NO doubt concernig the purpose of COVID mask requirements.
     
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    That sure sounds possible.

    I've never seen anything like that being done, but it sounds to me like it would work.

    And, with a cartridge style respirator it seems like it would do a much better job of protecting the wearer.
     
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