Alan Dershowitz: "Derek Chauvin Conviction Should Be Reversed on Appeal"

So you are saying Newt didn't cave when Clinton vetoed his budget and shut down the Government?

 

1) The EMTs would still have a measure of safety from within the ambulance that Chauvin would not have as he was out in the open. In safe conditions? Those EMTs would have gotten right to work, right there.
2) If Floyd had enough drugs in him to kill him, by themselves, it is possible, without any action by Chauvin, he would have died. It is up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions did make such a contribution. They did have expert testimony stating he did. Given the coroner's report that can be downloaded on line (and I did and read it) I find their statements un-credible. But that isn't what you appear to be arguing.
3) You appear to be arguing that Chauvin's failure to try to resuscitate Floyd was illegal. Or failure to get off of him, even if that had not helped, would be illegal. I don't think that is correct. He had no legal obligation to do so. Worse, he may have been following procedures, however discretionary, calling him to act as he did.

An irony is that we arguably do have systemic problems. Well, the system, and its 13 lawyers vs. 1 defense lawyer, won against Chauvin and their ultimate argument? There is nothing wrong with the system. Chauvin is just bad so, throw him in jail and we can continue on as before.

 

Go team!

 

The prosecution presented evidence of DUI arrests with 5 times the level of Fentanyl as Floyd. Tolerance. Floyd was an addict. The drugs didn't kill him.

 

The subject is police treatment of unarmed blacks. In case after case, unarmed blacks are being gunned down.

How many armed whites attacked police during Jan 6, tolled police 'you're gonna die', beat them, dragged them, stomped on them, and were not shot, allowed to go home during the capital riot? One was shot, a woman who was about to cross an uncrossable threshold, but, overall, seems to me, there's a systemic problem between the two races that needs attention.

If you want to talk about crime in general, which has nothing to do with racism, that's a different subject, so start a thread on it.

 

Were you watching the trial at all? Have you been paying any attention to the facts as they have been unfolding?

The expert Tobin testified to this extensively, a man who wrote a 1500 page bible on pulmonary science, who lectures all over the world on the subject, a man who has written and published 100s of scientific peer reviewed papers, and not to mention another toxicologist of prominence, totally, utterly completely shot down that argument. Asphyxia, was the reason, NOT drugs, that killed him. End of argument.

Also, because it was the adrenalin caused by the cops treatment of him, that pushed him over the edge.

When you watch the cops POV cam, how did they treat him as they approached him? Guns drawn, 'get out of the ****ing car....' They ASSUMED he was a criminal, and that is where they went wrong.

They got him all riled up over a 20 dollar fake bill? All of this didn't have to happen, they could have been a lot more polite, and explain
what they were trying to do, all they wanted to do was take him for questioning about the fake money that he was not necessarily in any legal jeopardy,
they just need to get to the bottom of the thing, and if he is innocent, he has nothing to worry about, and be polite, but no, they had to be *******s, and all that adrenalin, prone position, knees on back, choking air passage, and after he failed to respond, THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE CPR, THEY CONTINUED TO KEEP THEIR KNEES ON HIS NECK IN THE PRONE POSITION AFTER HE EXPIRED, they murdered George Floyd, and a jury of 12 agreed. But for Chauvin, you are absolutely wrong on that point, he most certainly would still be alive today. Before he encountered Chauvin, he as doing just fine, in a good mood, a little drowsy, but that's it.

Personally, I really thought there would be a hung jury, because there almost always is some right wing moron on the jury that just can't see the facts and it's not about facts, it's Black Lives Matter versus Blue Lives Matter and screw the facts, and their minds are made up.

You can say drugs contributed, heart contributed, but ....BUT FOR CHAUVIN, he would still be alive, because he had been alive under the precise conditions he had ben under that day, for years no doubt, he had a bad heart he had been taking drugs, and none of that ever killed him, he knew his limits and how to live within his limits, so this idea that the drugs killed him is wrong, it's just that encountering Chauvin, he took him over the edge, the excitement, the poor treatment, the fear of jail, not knowing why he was going downtown for questioning, the adrenalin caused his heart to require more oxygen than the prone position and the knees on the kneck allowed, and the cops, whose extensive experience and training should have made them acutely aware of such potentiality, especially when he lost his pulse they should have sucked it up, put his ****ing ego to the curb, and heeded the word of the crowd and did CPR on Floyd until the EMT came, but they did not, and, in fact, held their knees on him for another 3 or 4 minutes, AFTER he passed away, after he was unresponsive, after he lost a pulse, and therefore, he was murdered in the second degree.

In fact, it's a miracle they got 12 jurors to give George Floyd the justice he most certainly deserved.

It was a good day for justice in America, and it's about time.

 

No actually Newt and his New Republican Majority { took 40 years }
managed to pass 4 Consecutive balanced budgets.
Clinton did his best to veto 3 times.To no avail.
That is why Newt { Like Trump and Tom DeLay } were targeted.
Newt had falsely been framed { Like Trump and Tom DeLay }
with ethic charges { over 80 } but one managed to stick
So Newt like most Republicans felt it his duty to step down as
Speaker.It took time { an Investigation } but the IRS eventually established that
Newt never did what these Drat,Lying Democrats accused him of.Something about
padding his expense accounts while a Professor.It was learned that
those accusing Gingrich of violating Federal Tax law supplied investigators with
inaccurate info intentionally and recklessly disregarding House rules for
such a complaint.Gingrich thus became the First time a House Speaker
was disciplined with an Ethics violation.

Yes,Ma Maxine Waters was part of the Newt Witchhunt.
There was also an Ethics investigation into Waters and her Banker
husband for deals involving OneUnitedBank.3 years of an Ethics investigation
and she gets cleared by the House Ethics Committee.Typical.
However The Watchdog group { Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in
Washington } named HER to it's list of corrupt members of Congress
for { 2005,2006,2009 and 2011 }.

Know whereof one speaks.Democrats have a storied history of being
sneaky and shady.Like their role in Slavery and of course the
formation of The Ku Klux Klan.Dinesh D'Souza proved in a documentary
how not a single Republican office holder ever held a slave.

 

Total crap.Not one Firearm was collected on January 6th.Nor one
Malatov cocktail.Or one hand layed on any pol on that new historic
Day { Jan. 6th }.But there was a murder.Of an Unarmed Female.
Ashli Babbett was shot in the neck and died that day.By some
Capitol cop.We still do not have the name of that person who used a
firearm and murdered Asli Babbett.
There is No Systemic Racism in America.It's all a giant crock meant to
distract.Just like we had 3 + years of a Russian Collusion Crock.
And then the Ukranian { Quid Pro Quo } crock used to Impeach
a POTUS. When Ironically it was V.P. Biden caught on Video
bragging his sorry behind off about His Ukrainian Quid Pro Quo
at a Council on Foreign Relations get together.On Tape.
against a Ukranian Prosecutor if he doesn't drop his Investigation
into Burisma Holding.Where his son Hunter is on the board.
And Ukraine has 6 hrs. to make that firing.Because Joe has a plane to catch.
Find things Bidens way or No Billion dollar relief aid.
The very essence of a Quid Pro Quo.

 

See mine below...

"Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Wait a minute! Bullets don't kill people! It's the hole they leave behind!" "Sledgehammer" I only learned about what you write (Floyd could have lived but for Chauvin due to drug tolerance) during this trial and it makes me think it possible Chauvin did contribute to Floyd's death. Possible. Both sides agree he had an 11 in Fentanol and that 3 can kill you. You write he would have been fine but for Chauvin. I have no idea how one can know that. He may have been fine before. People die doing something stupid they've survived before but not that last time. The "beyond a reasonable doubt" part was not proven. "Possible" is not beyond a reasonable doubt. An expert simply testifying a thing is so is not compelling. That is why we have jurors.

Again Patricio, you write of Chauvin and the cops keeping him prone on the ground not providing CPR. I read that is proper when a police officer is faced with a hostile crowd which Chauvin did face. Am I incorrect in that. I confess, after reviewing, "Good Samaritan" law in Massachusetts, I do not know if providing such aid is required in this case. Notify authorities of the issue, which Chauvin et. al. did by calling the EMTs which did show up and they did not provide aid in place. They got to the relative safety of their ambulance first.

 

Convicted cold blooded MURDERER Chauvin was GIVEN a fair trial and he was CONVICTED on the EVIDENCE against him since there was VIDEO of him committing that MURDER.

The OPINION of a rightwing HACK like Dershowitz is IRRELEVANT.

Yes, this conviction will be APPEALED but even if it could be PROVED that there was undue influence on the jury does NOT nullify the EVIDENCE that Chauvin COMMITTED a cold blooded MURDER.

Should ALL of those cases where JURIES did NOT convict KILLER COPS be reviewed by the SCrOTUS in order to determine if THEY were unduly influenced too?

Chauvin DESERVES to spend the rest of his miserable existence BEHIND BARS.

The SCrOTUS is just as susceptible to undue undue influence as that jury was.

The EVIDENCE is what matters and the jury rendered their GUILTY VERDICT based upon the EVIDENCE.

 

All of that should be discounted and real Info NOT Expert
doctors speculating { giving opinions }.How juvenile.
Facts that are not in dispute.
George Floyd had a Heart Condition.Plus we know the levels
of Drugs { Fentynl and Methamphetamine he had in his blood }
3 times the lethal dose of Fentynl.He was acting weird in the store
he used a Counterfeit $ 20 spot.Because he was heavily sedated.
Could barely talk sense.
However the really important point is we see Floyd both sitting
in the cop car and also standing outside the cop car screaming bloody
murder that he Can't Breath.Before he was ever taken to the pavement.
Yes,obviously Floyd was severely resisting arrest which also obviously
raised his blood pressure.Which any normal human knows tends to cause
heavy breathing.In females,the tendency is to faint.
What Chauvin did was horrible,reckless and inhumane.In the least
it was Manslaughter.But one thing it was NOT.It was Not Premeditated.
Or Race related.Unless you and yer kind can cite use of the " N " word
by Chauvin.
In fact,any Race mention in the Trial was never used as example.
Yet,that is How the Chauvin Trial was advertised.
because that is the MEME and Narrative being pushed full throttle
across this land.The very reason for BLM's existence.
Plus why was Chauvin Denied Bail.Harvard Law Professor Alan
Dershowitz also wants to know why.because that almost never happens.
That a person is denied bail awaiting their sentencing.Chauvin obviously
poses no Flight risk.He could easily be given an ankle monitor.
So right there proves that Chauvin was treated unfairly.
Plus who ever heard of a person with a Rap sheet and jailed
over 5 times having their Family receive $ 27 Million.
Because the Country is being lectured about how much a Family
man Floyd was.How he was loved by Family members.Loves his Mom.
All well and good.Kinda reminds one of the James Cagney movie :
- White Heat - { 1949 }

 

Name that Evidence.The Doctor { person } who cited it on the
stand.The Levels of Fentanyl by DUI suspects being arrested.
What other loony talk have you got.That a Floyd family member said
he was loves by his Family and friends.How much being loved
was he after being arrested and sent to Prison for 5 years.
For Lovingly committing Armed Robbery of a Woman who was
pistol-whipped by a group of men while home with her children.

What would be if George Floyd was White.
The same degree of mindless hysteria ? !

 

there were plenty of weapons which, if they were black, would have gotten you shot.

WTFU.

 

CHAUVIN DID NOT FACE A HOSTILE CROWD, DID YOU WATCH ANY VIDEO?

YOU MOST CERTAINLY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!

Tobin and the Toxicologist testified extensively on this and I don't think you got your facts right.

The test 'But for Chauvin, his officers, and their treatment of Floyd, Floyd would still be alive', is true.

That is a true statement, and so says all but one expert and so says all 12 jurors, and so says my eyes, when watching the videos ---- I just don't see how anyone with a rational mind can come to any other conclusion.

 

I think your facts are wrong, and Tobin's and the Toxicologist's facts are correct.

They said he did not have a lethal dose, your facts are wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/

 

Geez Louise.That's nice to know.Fer a sec I thought you were gonna
say that Dr.Jill Biden also chimed in about Floyd's use of drugs with
a substantial compromised health diagnosis.
Like assuming ... Nothing to see here folks.George Floyd was
as healthy as a Budweiser Clydsdale.It was the smell that got to him.
The smell of Chauvin's feet.He might have forgot to wash his feet in the
last few days.
And of course Old Slow Joe,agreed with Dr.Jill's assumptions.

 

I ask rhetorically, then why did the EMTs not perform CPR on Floyd where he lay? Because you are wrong. There was a hostile mob there, hurling abuse, making chauvin at time put his hand on, I think it was a mace canister.
You know what the Toxicologist did not do to my knowledge? He did not say that Floyd had less than an 11 in Fentanol in his system and that it only takes a 3 to kill one.

 

YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT: “No sign that George Floyd was killed because of his race.”

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/445598/

 

Incompetent rebuttal; drivel.

 

Meaning not 3 times the lethal dose { a dose known to kill }
but closer to 4 times.Of course none of that means a hill of beans to
committed Radicals and BLM frauds { they make money from their disruptions }.
Even Michael Browns { Ferguson death } Family wants to know how
BLM has spent Millions.We know partly how.By having it's leaders
buy up properties.To have as Residences.In nice Communities { mostly white
neighborhoods } far from their chosen spots to Hurl Malatov cocktails,set fires,
coldcock whites,Constant verbal threats and of course not just intimidating
Police,but hurling projectiles at them.Plus the occasional burning of a
cop cruiser.
Real Americana ... eh Folks.

 

So then did Floyd die from an apparent Heart Attack.
Keeping in mind how both a Major Political Party { Democrats }
and their adjunct { MSM } LIE as often or more than a flea-infested
Dog scratches.
Again ... I was waiting for this Minnesota AG { Keith Ellison }
to somehow emerge as a Savior.The guy most responsible for the
Summer of Riots.It was Ellison who called the shots to make sure
No Police Body Cam footage was released.The Body cams Showing
the entire Resisting of Arrest.Where Floyd was in the Cop Cruiser
screaming bloody murder that He Can't Breathe.
Also standing outside the Cop Crusier refusing to be put in the
back seat ... Screaming.Ellison,once outted as the Man behind the
total suppression of Police Body cam videos,which would have greatly
eliviated any misconceptions about Floyd not being able to Breathe.
Ellison managed to Go into hiding.For months.
It took weeks for Ellision to release those Police Body Cam videos.
Then basically never to be heard or seen again.Until the Trial and the
verdict.

 

Why not use silly satire.That's the entire strategy behind the
Democrat Party.Make dopey anything Trump did and accomplished
and then use reverse logic to con americans into thinking The Democrats
truly care about America.Of course by constant virtue-signaling and pointing
out their heriarchy degrees of compassion for All Americans.Unless You
White and a MAGA supporter.Then ta hell with ya.Or worse.Rot in jail while
BLM/Antifa Anarachist get bailed out for extreme acts of violence and disruptions.
Because they got this Virtue-signaling down pat.Which proves they are more
Unamerican and dastardly than arguably the Ku Klux Klan.
Who The Democrats helped form.

 

Was Chauvin legally obliged to apply CPR? The more I research it, the more I find he did not. Even under Massachusetts "Good Samaritan" law, he and his team were only legally obliged to notify authorities that there is an emergency happening. Which was done. That is why EMTs were on the scene.

 

But in a world chock full of Irony ...
No sign that BLM was Organized and set into motion Because of Race.

What ... Me Worry