Solution to immigration "crisis"

In the US we don't (yet). I'm sure you are waiting for the day that's a reality.

 

So, let me give the anti-vax the best benefit of the doubt. At the very best, they are people who will not lift a finger to save thousands and maybe millions of lives. It's hard to imagine a much lower form of life. Nobody has to storm beaches or parachute in behind enemy lines, just have to get a couple little pinches. And yet we have people too worthless to even do that.

So, you support rounding up people who don't have papers, and then want to make hitler comparisons?

 

What do you mean? We put murderers in prison. You said murder is a 'different belief.'

 

If you're vaccinated, then how will an unvaccinated person kill you?

 

If they aren't 100% effective, if for real reasons (not conspiracy ones) you can't get the vaccine. I agree that if you refuse the vaccine, you probably deserve to die, but hey, lets not murder those idiots either.

 

Mind quoting me saying that? You're really losing it. You start this thread with some simple Stalinist daydreams and look what happened; you've been called on it.

 

I say that your attitude is reprehensible. People who have recovered from Covid have natural immunity and have no reason at all to be vaccinated. People who are unlikely to be hurt by covid and fear an unnecessary vaccination have a valid reason to eschew them. The CDC, one of your favorite government agencies, have already explained publicly that masks are useless. You also fail to note the difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants who are law breakers. The solution to the "immigration crisis" is to fire the people who are now in power. By the way, I'm vaccinated. How about you?

 

Which idiots specifically should die?

 

People who have had the disease are maybe different. I don't know, and that's up to their doctors. The rest are murders. There is no valid reason to cower in fear from a couple little shots. Grow up . Now, an illegal immigrant at worst commits a misdemeanor, and even then, there is no reason for making it a crime to be born less lucky than I am. On the other hand, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, people who went to super spreader rallies are mass murders who tortured hundreds of thousands of Americans to death. Yes, those people deserve to die. They thought millions of others deserved to die for their convenience. They absolutely don't deserve to be American citizens as much as an 'illegal' immigrant who isn't so selfish as to torture thousands to death. You can worry about a 'reprehensible' attitude, or maybe worry about mass murderers.

The cdc said no such thing.

 

Just a quick question. In your condemnation (in fact, to death, per your earlier post) for unvaccinated people attending "super spreader rallies" - are you including Antifa and BLM?

 

You just couldn't see past their words. They have been lying to you for more than a year.

 

Eschewing masking, social distancing, and indoors? For sure. But, far far more important if they refuse to get vaccinated for anything other than valid medical concerns, then 100% without a doubt absolutely.

Full disclosure, I don't actually advocate sentencing them to death or anyone for that matter. It's just that they are worse than people we actually do sentence to death. I don't really advocate throwing them out of the country either, it's just that if we are going to throw anyone out of the country, we would do far far better to throw anti-vaxers out than someone who just happened to be born in the wrong place. We should probably be treating them with at least the same disgust, scorn, and ostracizing that we do for sexual predators.

 

Yeah, so you mean no matter what they said, they really meant what you are trying to convince yourself you wanted to believe all along for no actual reasons?

 

No, I'll spell it out for you. THEY LIE TO US. Here are two headlines taken from the forum that were only a couple of posts separated from each other.

CDC says fully vaccinated people don’t need to wear face masks indoors or outdoors in most settings
CDC director says fully vaccinated people still need to wear masks indoors to stop dangerous variant

You pay attention to these people? I don't. I ask my doctors.

 

You did advocate that earlier. How are they worse than people who knowingly murdered someone? Are you saying that you can read the minds of all the people who are waiting or refusing the vaccine, and know that they intend to cause harm to others?

BS.

 

This is one of those where the logic is so bad that we would have to spend days untangling it all. But yes, listen to doctors. I know there are nutjob doctors, but no good ones telling you not to get vaccinated or telling you not to wear a mask unvaccinated. But, I also know this is all an excuse to convince yourself you aren't a killer.

 

I'm saying I do advocate that these are people who knowingly murder people, many many people. You can't reasonably think that you are an ok person if you refuse the vaccine. Waiting for one is a totally different thing.

 

You said they deserve to die. I can quote you if I need to. Reasonable people can refuse the vaccine that has only been in existence for less than a year. It's only unreasonable to you because that's the position of the left.

Unlike you, I don't pretend to know the motives of millions of people.

 

Oh, for sure they deserve it. Reasonable people cannot. In fact there is no reasonable line of logic that leads to it being even beneficial to that individual. It's only through being very unreasonable, and selfish enough that they are ok killing many people for their own convenience that even leads to that unreasonableness.

If you hand someone a gun, tell them it's loaded, and they walk up to someone, and pull the trigger. They can say, well I didn't know a gun would do that (well, all evidence in real life tells you that it does), they can say you might have been lying to me (maybe, so what?) you can say that you don't know their frame of mind, but you do. Either they knew what they were doing, or they are completely insane.

 

Okay, you've just marginalized yourself. You know the intent of the millions of Americans who are hesitant to take the vaccine, and labeled them all as murderers. That's not a sane position to take, lol. Maybe you can tell me how the stock market will do this week, Miss Cleo.

 

I can tell you that if they don't get vaccinated, thousands if not millions will die. You can't have a working human brain and not understand that. I get that they are willfully ignorant, but that willfully part means that they know the truth.

 

You would be wrong about that. Try asking your doctor. The problem is that the CDC doctors are also pawns of power of those in high political office. Try this on for size. Dr Fauci and the CDC doctors said you must wear a mask. If I were doing the recommendation knowing what I know now I would have said "Masks are effective in controlling bacteria but no so in controlling viruses. While the mask won't stop spread from breathing it might help contain large droplets caused by sneezing or coughing that contain the virus. So while masks aren't really effective at controlling a virus it might make a difference somewhere at some time, so why not give it a try? What could it hurt?" Way too truthful for government.

They knew this way before Covid. The term we have for this is CYA. The government always does what is least risky for itself. The CDC recommended shutting down schools without even knowing yet that covid isn't really an issue with school age kids. Perhaps they could have said "We have no science confirming that children are at meaningful risk of having symptoms from or spreading covid. But just in case, why not shut down the schools. Better shut down small businesses where people gather just in case as well."

In the meantime we found out that 70% of covid infections occurred in homes, not businesses where people gather. Because a scientist that works for the government states an opinion doesn't mean they have science to back it up. We know that beyond a doubt. I would be happy to follow the science. But I have no interest in following opinions not backed up by science. We also found out that there was no reason to close the schools in the first place. But just in case.....

 

Hyperbolic garbage. Knock it off.

 

Hyperbolic?? Like pretending a tiny pinch in the shoulder is scarier than covid? Look, I know don't have many men theses days... but christ.

 

It isn't about an injection. It is about side effects of the vaccine. Hyperbolic.