The Attempt to Establish a Climate Ministry of Truth

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    What ever that means. I suppose you’d actually have to experience a plane crash before you decide to use a seat belt.

    These little a Tuckerisms make no sense.
     
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  2. dagosa

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    Amazing. I suppose you think the earth is flat too. I believe you’re referring to Antartica sea ice. Otherwise, you don’t believe in pictures either ?
    “Arctic sea ice endures an annual shrink and swell cycle as temperatures change with the seasons. It typically reaches its smallest extent at the end of the summer. But lately scientists — including former NASA chief scientist and polar researcher Waleed Abdalati, now at the University of Colorado — have begun to talk more about the possibility of the ice cap melting completely in the summer in the coming decades.”
     
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  3. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Facts matter.

    Arctic Sea Ice Extent – 15% or greater:

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    National Snow & Ice Data Center (NSIDC) – click to use their interactive extent graph generator
     
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    It drives them nuts to see their Arctic summer ice cover isn't declining anymore, it hasn't since 2007 but they continue to evade by using the 1979-2020 charts to avoid that unpleasant reality.

    This is what happens when people surrender their freethinking independence, objectivity and follow the consensus, the brainwashing of the last couple decades have been effective.
     
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    Wow. It must be winter time in the Arctic.
    You can’t be serious. Because there is less ice in the winter of 2021;that’s your argument against AGW.

    DECREASED COMPARED to a prior thirty period…it only matters what it was last night ?
    Your graph to any sane person looks like an argument for AGW.
     
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    It has declined. Are you guys peanuts or cashews ?
     
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    obvious fraudulent because don’t read charts and graphs.
    EPA graph

    upload_2021-10-31_13-17-3.png
     
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    It should drive you nuts to put up a graph that proves the opposite of what you say. It’s hilarious. Maybe, it’s because schoolin’ is. real hard.
     
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    It means that all your governments and universities and learned bodies have been politically co-opted, and there is no actual, credible, empirical science behind the anti-fossil-fuel scare campaign.
    There is plenty of evidence for the efficacy of aircraft seat belts from actual physical events: plane crashes. You are effectively arguing for use of seatbelts on cruise ships: there is simply no credible empirical evidence from actual physical events that there is any benefit or safety margin to be gained thereby, and the basic physics of the case argue that it would be an absurd and completely ineffectual precaution.
     
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    <yawn>
    No.
    "Pictures"?? I prefer empirical data.
    <yawn> Sure, they "talk" about it because they are required to genuflect to anti-CO2 hysteria-mongering for political reasons, not because there are any credible empirical data indicating it is a genuine possibility.
     
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    You can’t be serious.
    Less than when? Some year? Well, duh.
    It's just one of many facts that make AGW theory highly dubious.
    Why is that 30-year period after a 30-year cooling trend the only permitted comparison period? Why is the end of the LIA, the coldest 500y period in the last 10,000y, disingenuously called the "pre-industrial" climate, and considered the only permitted comparison period for modern temperatures?

    Where is your sense of smell??
    Perhaps to any sane but scientifically naive person...
     
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    Speaking of the scientifically naive...
    Now that’s hilarious. Maybe it’s because schoolin’ in atmospheric physics, which I have had and you self-evidently have not, is real hard...?
     
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    Hilarious. Only the right would look at a downward trend after 30 years, and call it upward. This is the most ridiculous reading of a chart. You do get that all the numbers are less then the 30 year average.
     
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    You do get that smaller numbers ARE LESS. WTF
     
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    Facts matter.
    [​IMG]
    No September Warming In Greenland, Iceland In Over Two Decades…Arctic Sea Ice Stable Over Past Decade

    By P Gosselin on 27. October 2021

    By Kirye and Pierre Today we look at some important September trends at stations in the far north Atlantic and Arctic sea ice extent and volume. Al Gore’s doomsday predictions fade into old memories Greenland The September mean temperatures at the six stations in Greenland for which the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) has enough data are […]
    [​IMG]

    Chart: NSDIC.
     
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    I’ll say this slowly. The numbers on the bottom, represents time. The numbers on left the surface area of ice. Notice if you will the surface area is less then Ihey thirty year average for all later years. Without embarrassing yourself any more, just get a different chart and apologize.
     
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    All the subsequent years are STILL less then the previous thirty year median. The amount of sea ice is getting less. You’re doing a great job of supporting AGW.
     
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    NSDIC
    I see you’re using their information. You must think their research is valid. Let’s see what they have to say.
    https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/climate-change.html
     
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    That’s strange dude. You’re arguing for plane crashes as the only way to regulate seat belt use. I hope you never get a job with an airlines that uses science to design their seat belts and protocols for using them.
    Leave it to the right to wait till people die before they design seat belts. . How long have you been thinking this way ? Are you suggesting the right should all get jobs as live crash dummies.
     
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    Nope. What makes deniers arguments dubious is, they can’t read a chart. The smaller numbers are all later years after the thirty year average. . How is that so hard to understand. Does someone have to make pictures.
     
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    Notice the colored lines are all less then the previous thirty year average….Mmmmm. Think about it.
     
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    Facts matter.
    [​IMG]September daily extents are now fully reported and the 2021 September monthly results can be compared with those of the previous 14 years. MASIE showed 2021 at 5.2M km2 and SII was close behind, reaching 4.9M for the month. Analysis below shows that the 2021 Minimum was 1/2 Wadham ( 1M km2) higher than the 14 year average, and 1¼ Wadhams more than 2007.

    In August, 4.4M km2 was the median estimate for the September monthly average extent from the SIPN (Sea Ice Prediction Network) who use the reports from SII (Sea Ice Index), the NASA team satellite product from passive microwave sensors. The SII actual ice extent was 1/2 Wadham higher.

    LINK
     
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    Sure. Did you know I teach Quantum theory and ball room room dancing between philosophy classes , 8-10:30 Monday thru Friday.
     
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    Amazing thing about this chart. You think the industrial revolution began in 2007 ? Hmmmm.Where are your numbers for 1850 and before ? Oh, you don’t have them. Wonder why ? Oh, we just started burning coal in 2007 ? Oh, how smart you are. I’m impressed.
     
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    If you had any facts that mattered…unlikely.
     

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