Where I draw the line: bi-annual injections

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  1. Greenleft

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    Before I begin, I must make it very clear that I am very much pro-masks, pro-government mandates, pro-vaccines, anti-super spreader events (large crowds). Any anti-vaxxer who thinks they have an ally in me is very wrong.

    I had a two party conversation with another person on this forum in another thread, but I want to open up the discussion to other people.

    With that said, where I draw the line is getting a vaccine every six months for the rest of my life. But this requires multiple qualifiers:

    1. If my government (Indonesia) makes it a mandate that I do it, I will follow the rules and go through with it.

    2. We don't know yet if this is going to be the case. It might very well NOT turn out that way. Also, the fact that I had Covid-19 last year and have had two shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine might mean my immunity won't require me to get a jab every 6 months for many years to come.

    3. A yearly vaccine is acceptable.

    4. If I'm promised a reward for getting the vaccine every 6 months like money, food coupons, a promise that I'm allowed to go to a party without a mask or a guaranteed date for the end of the pandemic set on the CALENDAR, I will do it.

    I don't need a lecture on the dangers of this virus because I can tell you I have suffered a lot myself from this pandemic. I had Covid-19 last year where I had a temperature and headache for 2 days and weeks of being quarantined. Due to testing positive on a swab test for Covid-19, I had to delay a mole removal operation by 2 months. I had a work colleague who died of Covid-19. My Dad was trapped in the UK for 4 months because the British government did not know how to deport foreigners who arrived prior to the lockdown.

    I often use hyperbole, metaphors and analogies when I want to get a point across. When I talk about doomsday bunkers and nursing homes, I mean all the lifestyle changes due to the pandemic. When I refer to police uniforms and badges, I'm talking about the power of my government and not necessarily that I'm living in a police state. Keep this in mind when this conversation progresses.

    My country had a partial lockdown last year. It was in June of this year that new Covid-19 cases peaked in June long after the lockdown was over. It is for reasons like this that I am skeptical of this new talking point of organ failure from Covid-19. Because I am seeing governments move from one blunder to the next.

    At the end of the day, I want to cooperate with health experts and the government as much as possible. But there comes a point where too many lifestyle changes and ZERO rewards for making those changes makes life not worth living. The only breadcrumbs that people are offering is that elders get to enjoy a few more golden years.

    What will NOT happen is that I am pressured into taking a jab every 6 months for the rest of my life by being called a granny killer (that is infecting the most vulnerable in society) or threatening me with the dangers of organ failure.

    I ask any medical expert or government official on this forum: What's wrong with one minor concession in the name of public health: positive reinforcement. In other words a reward to anyone taking vaccines?
     
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    So if 'the science' tells us to vaccinate annually then we should listen to the science, but if 'the science' says bianually, then consent starts to matter?

    Seems rather arbitrary... Why did you pick biannually as your line in the sand? And why do you need prizes to 'save grandma'?
     
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    I'm confused. You are pro-vaccine but you want to be rewarded for taking care of your own health? Those don't mesh.
     
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    I got my two. Don't plan on a third unless they come out with something a lot better than the first two. If I die of COVID, so be it.
     
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    Well, if you have to ask! Some grandmas NEED to go and money is a great incentive. LOL Just joshing. Both my grannies are long gone but I suppose I could kill off some other people's grannies if I don't get sweet rewards. ;-) Just joking. I never go to nursing homes except to give monthly donations of supplies and treats.
     
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    Well, some people in my life have made it their problem that I remain healthy. If my well being is indeed their problem, they ought to reward me for taking care of my health.

    So I can keep saving her and have it be worth more than a few more board games at home with her! For the record though, all my grandparents are have passed away. At this point it's about saving Mum and Dad who both turn 65 next year.
     
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    That's not a reward issue. It's a lack of boundaries issue.
     
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    My Sympathies! As you near neighbour we have been watching with concern how the virus has decimated Indonesia! You may not have heard it from our government but we have been crossing our fingers and toes that it would come under control for you. From memory you were mostly using Sinovax? Though I see we did give you some half a million doses of the AZ x which we weren’t really using so……..

    https://blogs.worldbank.org/eastasi...lion-covid-19-vaccine-doses-what-can-we-learn

    Dang! Good for Indonesia!!! :applause::applause::applause::applause:

    I doubt though we will end with 6 monthly vaccines IF and only IF we get this down to endemic levels
     
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    You made my day with that post! :angel:. I can tell you now that I've had my 2 shots of AstraZeneca.
     
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    If the govt/media/'science' told you two boosters per year were necessary to protect Mum and Dad, why wouldn't you do it? Wouldn't that be incentive enough?

    ...don't you believe you're being provided accurate information?
     
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    And do what with my parents? Stand beside them outside that bar with a 'CLOSED' sign with our masks on lamenting on the loss of the good old days for years to come?
     
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    once were out of the pandemic, it won't be the issue it is today
     
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    What do you mean? Are you suggesting you won't be able to get into a bar if you get your booster?
     
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    I'm saying (not suggesting) that the media/government/medical experts are not promising any end date to the various lifestyle changes. Their only incentive is the proud feeling you get that you protected the vulnerable in society. But the vulnerable are not always the best of company while waiting for the bar to open.

    In summary I'm being told: If you get the bi-annual jab, you will be rewarded with many more hours at home with your loved ones. Well what if my loved ones are not enough?
     
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    Why do you think that is?
     
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    Honestly, they don't know when it will be safe to get back to normal again. The problem is, saying "I don't know" can only get you so far. Eventually, you will need to give a firm date to reassure people that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    This might surprise you, but I'd also appreciate it if the media/government/science were just blunt and admit that I'll need to keep my mask on the rest of my life (among other things). Saying "Well.... maybe things will be better.... in 18 months?" If a doctor told me something along those lines, I would not consult him/her again. Being blunt would help me adapt to a new way of life and not be filled with false hope.
     
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    This might convince me to get a bi-annual jab if indeed it comes to that. I got my second AstraZeneca shot in September and don't intend to get boosters in March next year.
     
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    Are needle fears actually a thing? I mean like is more than 1/10000000 people really that scared of needles? I'll take needles all day. I have a phobia of corporations injecting (proprietary) into me.
     
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    Needles are an annoying lifestyle change not worth spending the rest of my life enduring if the other lifestyle changes don't go away or I am not rewarded for said lifestyle change.
     
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    They will mandate that you get a third or else you will be shoved into the "unvaccinated" category along with the rest of us unjabbed heathens...

    You will be forced to choose a side between "continual compliance with government dictates" (tyranny) or "freedom to make your own healthcare decisions" (freedom).

    Are you team tyranny or team freedom?
     
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    I am team you do you and I'll do me.
     
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    I would like to suggest to you that maybe, just maybe, they do not have ANY intention of EVER returning back to normal, "safely" or otherwise. They wish to 6uild 6ack 6etter, just like the rest of the Satanic worldly government systems do.

    I also must ask, if we are to "build back better", then doesn't that mean that some sort of destruction needs to occur in order for us to "build back" FROM?

    ... and even then, they could just keep moving it and moving it and moving it, citing "safety" reasons of some sort. Such dates would only be given to "shut people up"... The Satanic worldly governments have ZERO intention of EVER returning back to normal. They wish to destroy the current order of life as we know it and then 6uild 6ack 6etter from that destruction. They wish to kill off a large swath of the human population, as there are "too many people" on the planet atm.

    I'll be blunt with you then. You will need to keep the mask on for the rest of your life. This is the new normal now. You will also need to keep receiving continuous booster shots at a yet undetermined time interval (maybe 2ce a year?). If you at any point do not fully comply with any and all current and future government dictates, you will be banished from society, banished from buying and selling unless you "have the mark (of the beast)" (I also suggest reading through the Book of Revelation sometime).

    Are you for this or against this?? If you are against this, then stand up strong and resolute against such government tyranny.
     
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    So team freedom then? You're going to stand resolute against the people and governments actively disregarding people's Creator-endowed rights?
     
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    They can do them and I will do me.
     
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    Evasion noted.
     
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