What sorts of white wine do you like?

I would like to introduce it:

https://www.germanwines.de/knowledge/grape-varieties/white-grapes/gutedel/

 

Sure, but I'm not talking about wine and cheese afficionados. I'm talking about your rude peasants. Here, even the non-wine drinking rustic will know what Shiraz is, and that cheddar should be old. It's just fundamental stuff here, due to the greater influence from UK/Europe in terms of diet and habits.

Given what passes for cheese in the average 'unsophisticated' American household, and the general lack of wine knowledge among same, it's not surprising this view is widespread amongst non-Americans.

 

I think there is a bit of elitism in this thread. Here in the U.S. most people I know do have an understanding of wines and chesses. But why should it even matter if they don't? People drink and eat what they like and if it's just plain red table wine and cheddar cheese, so be it. Not everyone is going to be obsessed with this kind of thing, they have better things to occupy their minds.

 

That's not strictly true.
Red wines are indeed made from red grapes but white wines can be made from either red or green grapes. What makes wines white is not the colour of the grape but removing the skin, seeds and stems before fermentation.

 

Cheddar cheese is one of, if not the, finest cheeses on the planet.
Matured in the caves of the Cheddar Gorge in Somerset for between 16 and 24 months. Full flavoured and versatile in all kinds of dishes.
There is nothing plain about Cheddar.

 

This is a wide field.
Maybe you are speaking of "Weißherbst" and/or Rosé now?
These still count as red wines.

It may be another thing with the "Blanc de Noir".
But I do not want to go into too many details.

 

When I wrote this, my stress was on "grapes" as opposed to honey.
Not on "colour".

 

That's just it, I'm writing from the perspective of someone who ISN'T a wine/cheese snob. I know barely anything about wine myself (consider me the Thomas Haden-Church character in Sideways), and my cheese budget isn't large enough to indulge French Triple Brie on sammiches.

My point was that the 'red wine/bitey cheese' trope is known down to the lowest rungs of the peasantry, both where I live and in most of Europe. It just isn't in America, below a certain middle class demographic. Though American rustics undoubtedly know about flavour tropes we don't, so it's swings and roundabouts. EG, the obsession with all things pork in America. You guys have a million ways to cook the stuff .. whereas here it's barely eaten at all, and if it is it's probably done either badly, or Chinese style.

 

I would not call it "obsessed" if I am interested in the name of the wine that I am drinking.
So I can remember what is was that I liked or did nor like.

 

Cheddar is food of the gods!

I'm an 18 month girl, myself. Seems the sweet spot where flavour is fully developed, but the 'disintegration' hasn't fully set in. At 24 months it's more like a pulp

Edited to add that the idea cheddar is 'plain' is outrageous. The real stuff blows your hair back. Maybe the idea that it's plain, results from exposure to the neon orange soap which passes for cheddar in some places?

 

I realise that.
I just enjoy being pedantic.
Don't take that pleasure away from me.

 

If I am interested in wine, that does not make me a "snob".
I do know wine snobs - they exist.
But that is another matter.
Not everybody who knows about wine is a snob.

 

You write very well for a girl who is only one and a half years old.

 

It is OK!
I always enjoy talking about wine.
And in some cases I can be "pedantic" as well.
In cases when people mix up names for grape variety and for geographical origin.

 

months - or years?

 

That’s true, Cheddar is a very good cheese, a favorite for me. But, every cheese maker in the world makes a “cheddar” cheese, they are not all the same quality. Both Vermont and New York State make some excellent cheddar cheese.

 

I agree with you. What I don’t like is people labeling others who are less interested as “unsophisticated” or “rube peasants” and such. This may not apply to you, but I dispose it when someone talks down about other people just doing their best to get through life.

 

Maybe somebody could create a poll: "What sorts of cheese do you like?"
There might be 1000 options and more.

 

To get back to the wine topic, I would like to introduce the Grauburgunder (pinot gris) also called Ruländer, depending on the way of making it.

More: https://www.germanwines.de/knowledge/grape-varieties/white-grapes/grauburgunder/

 

Best check there isn't already one.

 

I know what you mean. Wherever I’ve traveled I’ve tried the foods people there are proud of. Mostly I love the food, but there are some things I’m just not down with. Haggis in Scotland, scrapple in Philadelphia, fried grasshoppers in Mexico, roast guinea pig in Peru, just to name a few.

 

I did like it - during a Burns Supper!

 

You’re braver than I.

 

I tried haggis when I had to cook a Burns supper and I'm vegetarian.
I thought it was very good.

 

From what I know, there is even vegetarian Haggis now.