Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Jun 30, 2018.

?

Are Latter Days Saints, Mormons, Christians?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
    61.5%
  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    34.6%
  3. Perhaps.... .I will research this further.

    1 vote(s)
    3.8%
  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I woke up this morning with what I feel could be a major key to a whole new level of cooperation between Latter day Saints and

    Pentecostals and Roman Catholics and Charismatic Catholics and to all Christians in all denominations who take the ideas of some of the more gifted Pentecostals or Charismatic Catholics seriously. Pentecostals are

    involved in the Alpha movement so they now have friends in most major denominations of Christianity.

    All Christians can agree that bringing somebody up out of Satanism.......

    no matter which church they choose to join afterward is less important than

    they at least return to Jesus and renounce working directly for Satan as Evangelist John Ramirez explains he did

    in 1999.

    A book by Ms. Mary K. Baxter has an idea that both Latter day Saints as well as Pentecostals can use........

    Satanists are TREATED WORSE in hell.... than for example a backslidden Christian..... according to what was shown to

    Ms. Mary K. Baxter.

     
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ...... Aryeh B replied:




    In my opinion Latter day Saints, partly due to their having a BYU campus in Jerusalem, are in a unique position to act as ambassadors in a dialogue between Christians and Jews regarding the construction of an Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_Jerusalem_Center


    Frankly... the very fact that season two of The Chosen was staged at an L.D.S. facility in Utah even leads to the obvious question of whether or not there should be a replica of the Ezekiel temple complex somewhere in Utah?!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(TV_series)

     
    Last edited: May 3, 2021
  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Here are some more quotations from Aryeh B on an Ezekiel temple complex:




    More of Mr. Aryeh B's ideas on an Exekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex can be viewed in this topic:


    Could there be two Jerusalem Third Temples?




    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2021
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am not all that good at understanding dreams but I know some people who are very good at it so I will pass this on to those who are far better at this type of thing.


     
    Last edited: May 3, 2021
  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I firmly believe that many Latter day Saints need to hear the following.....
    perhaps you were led to this forum by the Holy Spirit for this very reason.......
    all Latter day Saints in the police and the military and the CIA and the NSA and the FBI need to hear this.......

    THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. Many of his advisors are giving him terribly flawed advice..... even some who are deeply religious and perhaps somewhat sincere!

    King Zedekiah listened to bad advice..... and he suffered immensely for doing so. King Zedekiah should have listened to Jeremiah..... not to the others.

    There is a powerful warning for Israel in this message as well.



    Robin Bullock Urgent Prophetic Word About Current Events | Sept 27 2021
    44,539 viewsSep 28, 2021
     
  6. Cougarbear

    Cougarbear Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    2,450
    Likes Received:
    1,146
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Over the past two days, I listened to the only true prophets, apostles and evangelists (The 70's and General Relief Society and Primary Presidency members) that are on this earth today. I listened to the one and only Prophet of God, Russel M. Nelson and only his words have true meaning to prepare for the 2nd Coming.
    I was led to this website because I got booted from another.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  7. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,125
    Likes Received:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    NATIONAL MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY

    Smithsonian Institution Washington D.C.
    1979

    The Book of Mormon is a religious document and not a scientific guide. The Smithsonian Institution does not use it in archaeological research. Because the Smithsonian Institution receives many inquiries regarding the book of Mormon, we have prepared a "Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon." This statement includes answers to questions most commonly asked about the Book of Mormon.

    PREPARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY, SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION
    STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON


    1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. The Smithsonian archaeologists see no direct connection between archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

    2. The physical type of American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archaeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World -- probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age -- in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

    3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

    4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

    5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

    6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asia and the Near East.

    7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archaeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archaeological remains in Mexico and archaeological remains in Egypt.

    8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

    9. There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.
    The following item was originally posted by Malin Jacobs on the Mormon echo. It is an evaluation of the Smithsonian's statement recently uploaded by Chris Jacobson.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
    DennisTate and WillReadmore like this.
  8. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,125
    Likes Received:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Two Mormon missionaries proselytized me when I was nineteen years old. Mormonism appealed to me. I wanted to become a Mormon, but I wanted for Mormonism to be true. I approached my study of Mormonism with the attitude that Mormonism is alone among the religions in that it lends itself to a rational evaluation. The other religions base their authority on miracles that happened too long ago to prove or disprove. Jesus either rose from the dead after being crucified or he did not. The Angel Gabriel either dictated the Koran to Mohammed or he did not.

    The Book of Mormon claims to be a detailed history of pre Columbian America from about 600 B.C. to about 421 A.D. If the Book of Mormon is accurate, there will be abundant evidence in the archaeological record of events written about in the Book of Mormon. There is no evidence. None.

    My study of the claims of Mormonism led me very reluctantly to conclude that Joseph Smith was a religious charlatan. If he was alive today I can see him with a mega church and a nationally broadcast television ministry. Eventually he would be ruined by a sex scandal involving underage girls.
     
  9. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    1,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    His could easily be interpreted as a case of recognizing how Islam and the Roman Church insinuated themselves into mind control, manipulation and resulting power. With these models, one can hardly go wrong, or right.
     
  10. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I am of the belief that BigPharma, BigBanking, BigOil and even BigReligion have America and the world in a terribly fallen state and I do believe that Latter day Saints will play a critical role in some sort of modern Red Sea or Reed Sea event.....
    that I believe is happening even now in 2021......

    I believe that from the Spring of 2022 to the Spring of 2024 a shocking amount of deception will be clarified and Mormons will be leaders in figuring the whole mess out.....


     
  11. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,125
    Likes Received:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    After a thorough study of Mormonism I was disappointed to discover that Joseph Smith was a religious charlatan. The Book of Abraham has been proven to be fraudulent. Archaeologists have have made many discoveries about what was really happening then Joseph Smith claimed that the events in The Book of Mormon were happening. Biblical Archaeology exists. There is independent evidence that the empires, and nations mentioned in the Bible really existed. There is no Book of Mormon archaeology.
     
  12. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You could be correct.....
    this whole subject is far, far, far above my own Security Clearance Level with the G-d of Abraham but......
    this ancient Jewish tradition is both interesting as well as at least partial verification for the basic idea behind the Book of Mormon.

     
  13. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2020
    Messages:
    8,371
    Likes Received:
    3,909
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes he was. Same goes for Scientology.

    Nations mentioned in the Book of Mormon existed. Nations mentioned in my Spiderman comic book also exist.
     
  14. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Messages:
    12,942
    Likes Received:
    6,049
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I know that God and heaven are real. I know that God lives and that the missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are his laborers whom he has called and authorized to teach his gospel, to call people to repentance, baptism and faith. By this certainty to me, I know and can extrapolate that Joseph Smith is Gods chosen Prophet to restore his Church and authority, and that the Book of Mormon is true. Yes there is no evidence of authenticity in any of this. Neither is there that God or heaven are real, that all ancient prophets were not but deluded and the miracles made up. Neither is there evidence that Mary conceived by divine intercession, that Jesus was the savior or that he was resurrected. Likewise there's no evidence of his miracles or that the testimonies of his Apostles were anything other than imaginings. There is no scientific or archaeological evidence to support any of it. But rather than to feel hopeless, bereft or abandoned by God in this dearth of substantiation. I am nevertheless thrilled by it, that God hides the sacred. I know he lives, that he knows me, that his spirit filled my heart and whole being with his peace, that he filled my mind with his light and swept the table of my soul to the edges, that his pure exceedingly white spirit poured out of heaven and gathered to his servants the missionaries. Men seek out the halls and thrones of long gone kings and revel in the imaginary splendor of what once was, but are aghast at the notion that the eternal God should come to his temple or anyplace he so wills. I am thrilled to have been in attendance at his visitation, and that it was to my home and my temple he came, a conception I cherish. I know that God lives, and there is zero evidence or authenticity to the contrary. As I said, I find it thrilling that God covers his works. So I wait in anticipation of his wisdom, mercy, and might.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  15. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,736
    Likes Received:
    9,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I will refer to the Gospel of John and leave it at that. It identifies on exactly who Jesus is...."If you have seen me you have seen the Father". It is the common thread throughout the Gospel but also the mere fact many were blind to that in spite of everything! Mormonism seeks to attend that blindness that comes up with a "New Book" that supposedly supersedes the Gospel. You can cleverly deny that but Mormonism tells of a different Christ which robs of the power of Salvation. Like others, it is a Religion of works. They had to redefine Grace very deceitfully. No, they do not lead others to enter into the "Body of Christ".
    The mere fact they need to be "sealed" in a building for their marriage and that they wear "magic underwear" that sets them apart, identifies what I am saying. They have many "secret" traditions as well.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2021
  16. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,736
    Likes Received:
    9,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Of course there will be "Universalists" that answer yes.
     
  17. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Messages:
    12,942
    Likes Received:
    6,049
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The servant who buried his talent rather than magnify it had it removed from him because of his slothfulness. There is no salvation in merely believing that Jesus is the savior. Heck even Satan knows Jesus is the Savior. One cannot drink, sleep and sin ones way to salvation. Work and sacrifice must follow belief. Jesus spent his whole life working to bring about salvation. And the Book of Mormon doesn't negate the Bible. It supports it. As for temple marriage, it is no more unusual than baptism or any other authorized ordinance, objectively speaking. And as for undergarments, so what? Everyone wears underwear, socks, t-shirts, bra's, etc., covered by even more clothing. You want to mock that too. sheesh man
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  18. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,736
    Likes Received:
    9,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I know of a thief on a cross next to Jesus. He openly mocked at first. He admitted he was deserving to be on a cross but after a while, he believed. Jesus told him "tonight you will be with me in paradise". That thief had no "magic underwear". He was not "sealed " in the temple. He was "justified by faith". Now how many Mormon hoops do you jump through to explain that away? Jesus is the Creator of all that is! Not a created being like Gabriel or even Lucifer.

    Work and sacrifice does follow belief. "He who began a good work in you will be faithful to fulfill it". We are saved by Grace, not works and not those of our own. It is God working through the Believer. The Apostle Paul counted all of the works he performed with out that Saving Grace as "dung".
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2021
    DennisTate likes this.
  19. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2020
    Messages:
    8,371
    Likes Received:
    3,909
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Grace over works is just another way of saying obedience over morality.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  20. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I do believe that Latter day Saints are all set up to play a massive role in how
    events work out over the coming months and years.....

    ....in a way I would compare Latter day Saints with the group of people named Rechabites who the
    Prophet Jeremiah met with on at least one occasion that is recorded in the Book of Jeremiah.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...inst-bill-gates.591367/page-2#post-1073032042


    Should Israelis begin discussion of a Class Action Lawsuit against Bill Gates?






    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jer/35/2/s_780002



    "Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink." (Jeremiah 35:2)
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2021
    Injeun likes this.
  21. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,125
    Likes Received:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    DNA evidence links the American Indians to people living in northern Siberia, not to the Jews. The architecture of the American Indian civilizations has no similarity to the architecture of the Israelites. The Book of Mormon claims that Christianity existed in the Americas until about 421 AD. There is no evidence of this in the architecture or the writing of the American Indians. The Book of Mormon claims the existence of domestic animals and crops that did not exist in the New World until the coming of the Europeans.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  22. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,125
    Likes Received:
    944
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There is no evidence in the Americas of the Lamanites and the Nephites.
     
  23. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Messages:
    12,942
    Likes Received:
    6,049
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There is also no evidence of angels, or of heaven, or God the Father or the divinity of Jesus, or Mary's divine conception or the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated. There is also no evidence to support that I know that God is real and that he lives and that the missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are his authorized laborers, and that heaven is real. How then can one know that which isn't? Closer to this secular world, there is no evidence of conscience, or love or faith or any other aspect of mans higher nature aside from the self evident truth that it is so and qualified by our intellects, spirits, and the fact that we employ these attributes every day in everything that we do. So it could be that we apply our motivations to ignore the truth rather than to find it, thus casting our nets where there are no fish, and then call it a fruitless pursuit.
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  24. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    All that I know is that chapter forty one of Gospel Principles is one of the most brilliant and I believe one of the most accurate explanations for the afterlife that I have read in my sixty two years!

    What Prophet Joseph Smith reports being shown about the afterlife fits amazingly well with the dozens and hundreds of near death experience accounts that I have read since 1990.

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org...apter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng


     
    Injeun likes this.
  25. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,665
    Likes Received:
    2,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am guessing that Latter day Saints will be being baptized on behalf of my older sister who just passed on January 4, 2022....
    and I would guess that a Latter day Saint has already performed that ritual on behalf of my older brother who passed on September 23, 2020....

    I do believe that my brother and sister both know that I wrote this and I am hoping that they place high value on what
    those Latter day Saints do on their behalf.....



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ine-tait-1948-to-2022.595866/#post-1073180071
    Sharon Jacqueline Tait 1948 to 2022


     

Share This Page