Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop quoting from the propaganda networks. You know very well that what Russia wants is for Ukraine to follow through on the Minsk II agreements which Poroshenko signed and which was agreed to by the UN.

    That the Junta is not willing to have the 2 republics reunited with Ukraine, is a condemnation in itself. Instead they keep attacking the civilian areas and infrastructure of Donetsk, so that it doesn't take much to realize that they want the wealth of the Donbas area but not the inhabitants since it would change the demographics and they would be kicked out of office..

    Do they really think that Russia will agree to a genocide of its own people? You gotta be kidding?
     
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    I quote from trustworthy sources. YOU quote from propaganda networks.

    Did the Minsk II agreements include Russia invading and annexing parts of Ukraine?
     
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    Except, my comment was about the response if Russia invaded the EU or the US.

    As for Ukraine, I pretty much agree with what you wrote, but we will support Ukraine by continuing to give them lots of weapons.

    We'll also use further invasion of Ukraine as an excuse to bolster our presence in Poland in order to keep Russia from getting any ideas about invading the EU.
     
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    It's north-central Ukraine that is located where ballistic missiles can reach Moscow in about 90 seconds.
     
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    Invasion possibly incoming from Belarus, you think?
     
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    1. According to the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of foreigners who received Russian citizenship in 2021 will exceed 656 thousand people.
    2. In the event of a nuclear war, the number of Europeans and Americans does not matter. You must understand that we live in the 21st century, but not in a primitive communal system, where the number of people with a club matters in a military conflict between tribes.
    3. Russia has more nuclear missiles than all of Europe. For example, I read a military calculation and it says that in the event of a big war, the existence of Britain, for example, will be over in 15 minutes. And it doesn't matter how many people Britain will have at that moment.
    The same applies to any EU country. Do not console yourself with illusions, when a real war starts, everything you think, superiority in living standards, population, industry ... etc in the EU will evaporate very quickly.
    Only the ability of survivors to live in a post-nuclear world and in a nuclear winter will matter. Can a modern European, African or Asian survive in such conditions? Russian 100% can. Especially considering the fact that the main reserves of gas, oil ... etc. are located in Russia. Why is there gas, even firewood, and those are in Russian Siberia.
    4. After a nuclear war, the economies of all countries will be the same.
     
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    Again, there will be no nuclear war. Your sick fantasy, which resembles the thinking of "preppers" here in the US, simply will not come true.

    Also again, your dear dictator isn't dumb enough to start a nuclear war. He would not survive it. Russia as a nation would not survive it. Surviving on radioactive firewood and wild animals is no good life to lead. What's left of the world also wouldn't be looking too kindly on Russia if they did go nuking them over a territorial dispute.
     
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    I'd really like to think that you're right, and a real big war is impossible. Because nuclear weapons, total annihilation...etc.
    But (!) I have an example.
    After the First World War, all the newspapers wrote what you say, And their main argument was - "Because the machine gun was invented." And then what you say - "total destruction ... etc."
    But we know for sure that after a short time, by historical standards, an even more terrible world war took place.
    So ... I would like to believe you, but, alas, historical experience shows that the presence of deadly weapons is not a guarantee of peaceful existence.
     
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    I know. You want US to use nukes and for them NOT to use nukes.

    That IS the best form of war. You get to shoot. They get to be shot. Game over. We win.

    Do you really think that is how the real world works???
     
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    SpaceX Starship is a fraud, just like most of Musk business.
     
  11. Durandal

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    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunYog/videos

    Looks like a YouTube channel stirring up faux controversy. Turns out that spreading conspiracy theories on the internet can be good business, and YouTube isn't likely to ban someone for spreading SpaceX conspiracy theories.
     
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    And America has puppet Biden against Russia.

    Here's the Biden administration's answer :truce:
     
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    Looks like you didn't even take the time to watch the point they made and the facts they presented. Instead you take the words of a known fraud who's presently faced with jail time for his solar/tesla financial manipulation. Oh, and btw, SpaceX is also nearly bankrupted from his own words.
     
  14. Durandal

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    Furthermore, you say "just like most of [Musk's] business," yet Musk's businesses have consistently delivered. SpaceX is flying astronauts and supplies to the ISS, Starlink is working and serving customers, Tesla EVs are revolutionizing personal transportation, Falcon Heavy put a Tesla Roadster into solar orbit (https://www.whereisroadster.com/), and so on.

    Meanwhile, this YouTube channel you've linked seems dedicated to hating on Musk. Easy money.

    No, I haven't watched it yet. I have work to do. Tell me what you find compelling about it.
     
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    That is as far from reality as your "Socialism is a new form of slavery" signature.
     
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    SpaceX is near bancrupcy, Starlink as a 20% failure rate and have a life expectancy of less than 5 years and is and will stay out of reach financialy for the targetted client base. Falcon heavy launch space junk and Nasa use Arianne when they want to make sure the payload will make it in one piece.

    Try not using ad hom and instead dispute the facts presented if you're honest enough.
     
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    Take your own advice, and don't be so biased against SpaceX.
     
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    The world can only live in peace when Washington stops creating chaos and trying to impose its standards on others.

    World War III began with Syria, when the US used ISIS to overthrow Assad's legitimate government so it could break up Syria. Since then, the situation has been getting worse not only in the Middle East, but in the Black Sea, Aegean, Mediterranean, Middle East, Baltic Sea, and Far East.


    If you would get your nose out of the propaganda networks, and start reading sites with some integrity, you would realize how dangerous the situation is. Incidents which could lead to a full scale war are going on everyday.


    The Crimeans voted to kick out the Ukrainian occupying forces who had invaded Crimea in 1995, after being threatened with extinction during the pogrom at Korsun in 2014. They voted to unite with Russia as protection from the fascists in Kiev.

    This happened before the Minsk agreements - so get your facts straight.

    The Pogrom at Korsun:


     
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    :lol:

    You sure do chug and regurgitate a lot of Russian propaganda. I really like the part about how Ukraine was allegedly occupying Ukrainian territory (Crimea) until the KGB officer's army of unmarked soldiers liberated it after the people were given no choice in a fake referendum.

    And World War III has already begun, you say? Wow. I didn't know that Russia propping up a murderous dictatorship in Syria in order to maintain military warm water access in the Mediterranian and try to exert some control and influence over the Near East region constitutes a world war.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. We would only use nukes first if Russia invaded and we could not repel the invasion conventionally.

    If Russia nukes us, we will nuke them right back.
     
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    Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus?
     
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    We have nuclear missiles over here in the US.

    If Russia nukes the EU or the UK, then Russia will cease to exist within the hour.
     
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    I’m not sure our allies trust us to defend them anymore, even in Europe.
     
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    Assad broke up Syria all by himself.

    Assad also created Islamic State.

    Far from using it, the US and the Kurds destroyed Islamic State.
     
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    I can't blame them for worrying after the betrayal of South Vietnam and now Afghanistan, and with some of the posts on the internet.

    But we'll be there for them.
     
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