Trump: Just Mark U.S. Planes With Chinese Flag and Bomb Russia

Afghanistan?

 

Sure that is one. Battle of Stirling comes to mind but I guess you can argue the Scotts lost the war. Roman wars against the Gauls. French underground against the Germans. Chinese repelling the Japanese. Americans vs the British.

Humans vs Cylons. Bajorans vs Cardassians.

 

Well, I’m glad Boris Johnson shares the same point of view, even though he is not Ukrainian.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-article-on-ukraine-6-march-2022

 

I think you are drawing the wrong conclusions. As you say, the Scots lost.

The French Underground didn't drive the Germans out of Paris any more than the Chinese drove out the Japanese. The Americans had massive foreign support against a tenuous British supply line. The supply line will not be a problem with Russia.

But anyway, if you think the Ukrainians can beat back the Russians and drive them over the border, fine. I don't. It's going to take either a Ukrainian defeat or a negotiated settlement.

Also the Cardassians weren't defeated, they just got tired of bearing the costs of occupation. The Russians may get tired after a few decades too.

 

If you think the UK is going to war with Russia...well good luck.

 

You're all in there like that? What the hell does he want then?

 

Nobody is going to war with fascist Russia, at least not yet. I’m just stating the fact that there is an appetite to escalate, as can be evidenced by serious talks about transferring fighter jets to Ukraine. Each escalation carries the risk of further escalation. UK prime minister seem to be determined to make sure Putin loses. We can be following the same path as in WW2, when the UK was the first to stand up to nazi Germany.
No matter how much you want to avoid the war, if the other side thinks you always bluff and do nothing, eventually they’ll start getting into your uncomfortable zones. It’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when. The risk of war is justified in my eyes because it looks like we will have it eventually, if we do nothing, and now russia is not ready to confront the west yet, as they are weak and exhausted right now. If our aggressive stance ends up getting Putin overthrown then the entire west benefits and potentially averts a future conflict with Russia.

 

I simply disagree. The risk of war is not worth it. Russia cannot seriously threaten the West militarily except for it's nuclear arsenal. Escalating this nonsense to direct engagement with Russia very well could lead to escalation. NATO might be able to handily defeat Russia on the ground and in the air, but that will mean nothing if this goes nuclear.

Although I realize Ukraine is worth it to you to risk the world for, it isn't for me, and a lot of the keyboard warriors on this forum would back out real quick if this starts heading that way.

 

Let the Russians decide whether the risk of war between our countries is worth it. Put the ball in their court.

 

No but in all those cases they fought to protect their homes and if nothing else stalled the takeover and made a difference. I never implied the Ukranian fighters could defeat Russia but I admire their spirit to not just rollover and surrender. Every war, real or fictional, is made up of a fabrics of events. Who is to say the people in France that slowed the Germans and force them to commit resources did not contribute to the war effort. Save lives of other civilians and allies. The Japanese executed close to 4 million Chinese civilians. Who is to say it would not have been much worst if the civilian population did not rise up fight back. The Americans did not have support from the French right away. Who is to say all those people that left their farms and gave their lives did not buy the time for help to come. Maybe the Ukranians just have to buy time for the sanctions to have their effect. For the Russian people to get fed up and replace Putin.

 

Why do you love trolling so much?

 

Time is Ukraine’s best ally right now. With businesses leaving and people losing their jobs, the unemployed will start to realize that finding a replacement job is very difficult. You can be pro-empire all you want, but if you have no money to staff your fridge, you might change your mind. Russia is going through catastrophic damage to its economy, people there just don’t realize yet how screwed they are. If Ukraine lasts a month or two, who knows, maybe Pootins own circle will pressure him to just stop this insanity, or maybe even off him altogether.
I think after a couple of months Russians will really start to feel the fallout and by then it will be pretty much irreversible for quite a while.

 

I hate trolling. I just feel compelled to point out absurdity and hypocrisy via well placed sarcasm.

 

What in my post was hypocritical or absurd?

 

You are defending Russia. You must think Putin is savy and a genius.

 

How am I defending Russia?

 

To paraphrase Curtis LeMay "If only one person survives and they voted for Trump that's good enough for me"

 

You don't want Russia to be attacked.

 

You think the best way to “attack” them is to put Chinese flags on American planes and bomb Russian cities?

 

The peace and prosperity was in spite of World War Two not because of it.

Little good could come out of the deaths of 50 million people.

 

Actually, this is the primary question. How long can Putin get away with this?

 

I would certainly beg to differ. It was the war that stopped Mussolini, Hitler and Hirohito. It was the war that allowed us to help every one of those countries rebuild under a free, democratic, peaceful government. They started the war and we finished it, and the world was far better for it.

 

Right, and even if that was a good plan, it's especially smart to go tell people about it. It's extremely dangerous because if China and Russia found out. We made war with both simultaneously.

But what's more important than facts is that Trump is American and Putin is Russian so if you don't side with Trump, you are a Putin Lover. Isn't that how it works if you disagree with the intelligence agencies or Biden?

 

You didn’t answer the question.

Let me ask it again:
Do you think the best way to “attack” them is to put Chinese flags on American planes and bomb Russian cities?

If you say no, by your own logic it means you are either a putin lover or a troll.

If you say yes, then I question your ability to make sound judgment.

 

I just love me a good binary, ultimatum..... Or two...