Pardon countdown for Hunter Biden crony

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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your article left out the defining word "corrupt" Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko.... in fact your article does not have him saying that at all...Bloomberg simply states he said it in an interview... Please provide a link of him actually saying that to a camera. As I would never pays for Bloomberg garbage like some would..
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...utor-says-no-evidence-of-wrongdoing-by-bidens

    Lutsenko is not the person you think he is...
    The fake made up "black ledger"... which has as much credibility as the Steele dossier...
    He’s was Under Investigation for Abuse of Power
    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-po...investigation-for-alleged-abuse-of-power.html
    He Was Sentenced to Four Years in Prison for Embezzlement and Abuse of Office
    2012 https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine_lutsenko_given_4_years_in_prison/24497706.html
    He Claims He Attempted to Return $1.5 Billion in Stolen Funds from Former President Viktor Yanukovych to the United States
    He Claimed Marie Yovanovitch Gave Him “A List of People Whom We Should Not Prosecute”
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/yuriy-lutsenko/
    video here
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...ays-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute
     
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    Hold your breath. 8)
     
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    mngam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good Grief, lawfare is just a group of leftist lawyers based in Washington DC.
    Can you help me find a piece from lawfare concerning Obama's commutations?

    The Lawfare alliance [5] includes: James Comey, former FBI legal counsel James Baker (DOJ),[6] Comey’s leaking buddie Daniel Richman; former DOJ-NSD lawyer David Laufman (who also represented Monica McLean, Christine Blasey Ford’s FBI bestie and narrative engineer friend), Deputy AG Sally Yates, FBI lead agent Peter Strzok, FBI counsel Lisa Page; Obama administration lawyer Norm Eisen; criminal defense attorney Barry Berke; former SDNY U.S. Attorney Daniel Goldman; Mueller lead Andrew Weissmann and the Mueller team of lawyers, all of them - and more - are connected to the Lawfare group; and this network provides the sounding board for all of the weaponized approaches, including the various new legal theories outlined within the Weissmann-Mueller Report, and a host of current and former FBI and DOJ foot-soldiers.

    Fusion GPS is part of the Lawfare network as a distribution hub for research information needed by the journalists who are writing on behalf of the Lawfare need. Ezra Klein’s “Journo-List”; the email group of 400+ reporters for multiple media outlets who collectively collaborated on stories.

    Lawfare Group - Conservapedia
     
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    Ahhh, no. leftist lawyers, ahhh no. True principled conservatives, yes.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What political office does Hunter Biden hold?

    What political office is Hunter Biden seeking?

    With what crimes is Hunter Biden being charged, and by whom?

    Why are some disgruntled Trump losers obsessing over Hunter Biden as if he were one of their Kardashians?
    Trump had repeatedly lied about Hunter Biden in attempts to smear his father: https://www.factcheck.org/person/hunter-biden/

    None of Trump's fake claims have been reflected in prosecutions where credible evidence is demanded, despite there being, undoubtedly, many Trump partisans eager to charge Hunter Biden with something.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nice try at deflection my liberal friend... this is about the Biden crime family with Big Guy Joe using his VP position for family gains
    Ask...
    What political office does crime boss Joe Biden hold?
    With what crimes is Joe Biden being charged, and by whom?
    The fact a duly elected dutifully following his oath of office to uphold the laws of the land was impeached for DARING to question the illegal activity of the crime boss VP Joe shows the deep state will go to no end to cover the dementia ridden old man and his dope head boy. Joe blackmailed a foreign country with US taxpayer money.... Biden's own daughter wrote in her diary she took showers with her father...

    Joe Biden and his new office mates... Gongwen Dong


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    And who is Gongwen Dong
    from the Senate report ...
    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine Report_FINAL.pdf

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    Clemency is not the same as pardons and your post does not refute that Trump ignored the Office of Pardon Attorney.

    A clemency means the sentence is reduced/commuted or remaining sentence is waived. This usually happens to someone who has been convicted, agrees that what they did was wrong, and while in prison, did something positive. Exceptions, yes, but the general rule is what I described.

    Furthermore, it's not the number of pardons that concern me, numbers don't mean a thing in reality. However, who was pardoned and was the proper protocols followed is the argument.
     
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    I think Hunter Biden was a better businessman than Trump. After all, Trump has been trying for 10 plus years to make money there, but didn't. But Biden did through his partner.
     
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    You do realize that so called email came from the alleged Hunter Biden's Laptop in Maryland, right. And furthermore, it came from the copy of the harddrive as well.

    In Chinese business practices, it is common for Chinese business leaders to "grease the wheels" so that a deal can be done. Gongwen Dong is a Real Estate Mongel.

    Finally, for it to be a crime, Hunter Biden would have to accept said bribary, not report bribary on tax return, AND such bribary would influence something in the US. Since Hunter Biden was not a public official or any capacity, 18 USC 201 nor at this time violates the Foreign Corropt Practices Act.
     
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    Last month, the State Investigation Bureau said that the former president was placed under formal investigation for high treason, accusing him of “facilitating the activities” of separatists who were fighting government forces in a conflict that cost more than 13,200 lives since April 2014.

    Joe Biden’s Partner In Crime Charged With HIGH TREASON.
    Ukraine Accuses Former President Poroshenko of Treason

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ccuses-former-president-poroshenko-of-treason
    https://libertyonenews.com/breaking-bidens-partner-in-crime-charged-with-high-treason/

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    You do realize that so called email came from the alleged Hunter Biden's Laptop in Maryland, right. And furthermore, it came from the copy of the harddrive as well.

    In Chinese business practices, it is common for Chinese business leaders to "grease the wheels" so that a deal can be done. Gongwen Dong is a Real Estate Mongel.

    Finally, for it to be a crime, Hunter Biden would have to accept said bribary, not report bribary on tax return, AND such bribary would influence something in the US. Since Hunter Biden was not a public official or any capacity, 18 USC 201 nor at this time violates the Foreign Corropt Practices Act.[/QUOTE]

    You admit Dong was bribing (grease the wheels) the VP and son ""In Chinese business practices, it is common for Chinese business leaders to "grease the wheels" so that a deal can be done. Gongwen Dong is a Real Estate Mongel.""

    Yep... another deflection... It is not about Hunter.....Hunter is a three time loser like his dad.... it is about The VP of the US Joe Biden. You have stuck your nose in this conversation, please try to keep up. Oh and don't forget Obama was implicated in this blackmail...using US taxpayer dollars.

     
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    So, evasive propaganda aside, regarding substantive matters,

    1) What political office does Hunter Biden hold?

    None.

    2) What political office is Hunter Biden seeking?

    None.

    3) With what crimes is Hunter Biden being charged, and by whom?

    None, by no one.

    4) Why are some disgruntled Trump losers obsessing over Hunter Biden as if he were one of their Kardashians?

    They won't honestly admit why.

    Their intense interest in Hunter Biden guarantees that, if any credible charges against Hunter Biden are ever contrived, he will be indicted.

    If that ever happens, they'll be sure to let us know. In the meantime, they'll make it clear that they are very pissy about Hunter Biden.
     
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    You admit Dong was bribing (grease the wheels) the VP and son ""In Chinese business practices, it is common for Chinese business leaders to "grease the wheels" so that a deal can be done. Gongwen Dong is a Real Estate Mongel.""

    Yep... another deflection... It is not about Hunter.....Hunter is a three time loser like his dad.... it is about The VP of the US Joe Biden. You have stuck your nose in this conversation, please try to keep up. Oh and don't forget Obama was implicated in this blackmail...using US taxpayer dollars.

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    The more correct term is "attempting to bribe." But that is not illegal if it occurs outside the United States and does not influence or cause the person to commit any other crime, like tax evasion. Questionable, yes. Crime no, not based on the evidence being presented by the right. Won't even pass probable cause at this point for any type of warrant.

    All I said was Dong was doing what is a standard business practice in China, not to mention througout most of the world. We can call it dawry or a business gift, or anything, but the reality is that if a quid pro quo is involved, then it may be a bribe if and only if the other person accepted would a bride be the correct definition. As the saying goes, when in Rome, do what the Romans do. Or in other words, in China, you will and perform certain business practices that may be illegal in the United States, but not in the country where you are doing business.

    There has been no evidence, direct or otherwise, of accepting a gift by Hunter Biden. In addition, the so called email came from a laptop that cannot be positively identified as Hunter Biden's at the time. We do have testimony from his former partner, but unless there is concrete evidence, it is hearsay and inuendo right now and it is alleged.

    As for Hunter, is is not a loser considering he probably has done more business in one day than you have in your entire life. You are only a loser, according to CPAC if you are poor and cannot afford basic necessities.
     
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    It'll be interesting to watch their future encounters with our justice system, if any.

    One has been experiencing a long series of rejected appeals in attempts to hide evidence and prevent disclosures.
     
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    This is off topic, but I do not think Trump will ever be indicted AND convicted of anything. Everybody else around yes, probably and maybe, but not Trump. He is too high profile and the trial would be watched by everybody, which would mean a higher incidence of jury nullification.
     
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    The more correct term is "attempting to bribe." But that is not illegal if it occurs outside the United States and does not influence or cause the person to commit any other crime, like tax evasion. Questionable, yes. Crime no, not based on the evidence being presented by the right. Won't even pass probable cause at this point for any type of warrant.

    All I said was Dong was doing what is a standard business practice in China, not to mention througout most of the world. We can call it dawry or a business gift, or anything, but the reality is that if a quid pro quo is involved, then it may be a bribe if and only if the other person accepted would a bride be the correct definition. As the saying goes, when in Rome, do what the Romans do. Or in other words, in China, you will and perform certain business practices that may be illegal in the United States, but not in the country where you are doing business.

    There has been no evidence, direct or otherwise, of accepting a gift by Hunter Biden. In addition, the so called email came from a laptop that cannot be positively identified as Hunter Biden's at the time. We do have testimony from his former partner, but unless there is concrete evidence, it is hearsay and inuendo right now and it is alleged.

    As for Hunter, is is not a loser considering he probably has done more business in one day than you have in your entire life. You are only a loser, according to CPAC if you are poor and cannot afford basic necessities.[/QUOTE]

    Wow... the Vice President brags about blackmail and implicates the sitting president.... and you are worried about his "front man" dope head son.

     
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    You may well be right. He has always blamed others, and others have always been the ones to pay the cost.
     
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    That's not bribery, that was an international policy that the EU, US, and even most Ukranians wanted. Geez. Know the difference bud.
     
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    And, most importantly, the Republican Party, at the very time, fully supported the very policy Biden was there to ensure.
     
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    Wow... the Vice President brags about blackmail and implicates the sitting president.... and you are worried about his "front man" dope head son.

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    The vice president has...

    Taken a bribe from Dong.... typical China stuff... nothing here move along ....

    Who blackmail foreign governments using US taxpayer money and claim it is US policy, while implicating his boss president

    Who participate in a coup to overthrow a duly elected president........

    Holding American citizens without a fair and speedy trial and trial by a jury of their peers

    Who totally screw up a military evacuation and leave Americans behind enemy lines, who are still there to this day.

    Who abandoned an military airbase in the middle of the night, release 1500 terrorist loose, and equip our enemy with our most sophisticated military equipment in the world

    Who takes credit away from getting vaccine approval and a developing distribution

    Who release and ship Covid infected illegal invaders into the US to infect American citizens

    Who tell illegal invaders to come and then allow them to invade our country unimpeded. Has killed thousands of Americans with illegal opioids brought through his open border.

    Who leave millions of dollars of wall material lay on the ground then have the American tax payers build a wall around his house.

    Who claims a president with Covid deaths should not be president and then remain in office after he has more deaths under his watch.

    Who propose reimbursing illegals while blaming another president for exactly what his administration is also doing...

    Who cancels an American pipeline, killing thousands of good paying jobs while giving a thumbs up to a Russian pipeline..

    Reverses us from energy independent exporting oil to begging OPEC to produce more oil...

    Mandates others wear a masks and then go out in public without a mask.

    Left Americans and alleys in Afghanistan that are still there. He has emboldened our enemies in Russia and China by demonstrating his cowardice in Afghanistan

    Who sign a $2 trillion spending package into law under the guise of “COVID relief”— even though an estimated $1 trillion in previous spending remains unspent

    Who a son's laptop that implicate himself in very shady foreign deals...

    Who equip our enemy with our military stuff making the US the number 1 state sponsor of terrorist.

    Crime boss daddy take showers with his daughter.

    Totally eviscerate a former President for doubting elections while himself telling Americans to doubt the elections

    Who has a dope head whore mongering son. ( lives in his $2.5 million home while claiming he’s unable to pay child support for his baby conceived out of wedlock. He was also arrested for drug possession when he was 18 but never served any time and had his record expunged.

    Baby boy was also kicked out of the Navy for cocaine usage and was recently suspected of smoking crack at a strip club.)........
    Who claims transparency then has his son using his toot straws to supposedly create painting that secretly sold without accountability. Hunter painting $500k.. picaso paintin $400k

    Who spend 120 years in Congress

    Who touch and sniff little girls

    Who is compromised by China... bought and paid for

    Do know what planet they are on.

    Do know their name is not Brandon..

    Pay contractors million to not build the wall

    Claimed the previous president put people in cages... while his administration and his former boss are the ones building the cages.

    Defend Antifa movement riots attack a federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon and claim that the feds were “brutally attacking peaceful protesters.”

    Claim there was not a vaccine before he came into office, when he had already gotten a vaccination shot himself before and the vaccine were distributed starting a month before he took office.... Thanks to Warp Speed

    Threatens to take a president behind the bleachers and the threat to a president was laughed off where any other would be "consulted"

    Call a person a "lying dog-faced pony soldier" and not have his teeth violently removed...

    Literally flaunts racism by specifying a black women need only apply for a job.

    Took us from a net exporter of oil for the first time in 75 years, and returned us to energy dependence

    The typical ""Set Up"" of the War on Parents by his administration.
     
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    Blackmail has never been and never will be "international policy". I never used the word bribery... you did.

    Please prove to us that was """an international policy that the EU, US, and even most Ukranians wanted""" threatening a country with blackmail.
     
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    Is there evidence to charge this Hunter Biden fellow with whom you appear to be obsessed with a crime?

    if so, why has no one charged him with a crime?

    Perhaps, in lieu of anyone actually contriving any criminal charges in the real world, you could just shriek, "Lock him up! Lock him up!"
     
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    Please answer your own question... Why?
     
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    Given the apparent compulsion of some to charge this Hunter Biden fellow with a crime, his not being charged with a crime indicates there is not the evidence needed to charge him with a crime - as is the case with everyone else not charged with a crime. Unless and until there is, the presumption of innocence applies, of course.
     
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    For what crime? Are you saying Hunter was involved in this deal to defraud Native Americans?
     

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