Putin's dictatorship will end in disaster, says former Russian minister

After all the dirty laundry exposed regarding Hunter's laptop and Joe's involvement in Ukrainian corrupt with prosecutors and money laundering, it appear's Sleepy Joe's dictatorship is in its last few months.

 

These are generals....

Never mind Colonels,Majors.....those are numerous also.

At this rate all 12 could be killed yet....any other country....heads would be f***ing rolling over these losses of top brass.

 

You and I rarely agree on things, but I mostly agree with you here.

Putin does have a way out, if he takes it.

Let’s remember that there is no free press in Russia, so Putin can tell his people anything, and there will be nothing but affirmation and praise from the Russian press.

Also, Putin’s KGB can imprison or kill dissenters, and the Russian population knows it. His security apparatus keeps the population sufficiently fearful to prevent significant dissent.

So with the press and security services on his side, he can declare victory any time he wants to. He has said his goals were to “de-nazify” and “demilitarize” Ukraine. Another goal is to “protect” the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

He could just tell his people that those goals have been accomplished. His press and trained seals in government will cheer and clap on demand.

But if he doesn’t opt for a face-saving way out, then I agree with you. This will not end well for him.

 

I had one that had been here for 15 years and had a good job. she actually warned about russian women at the womens group. she was fantastic and the best gf. that said I doubt I'd have another and definitely not a mail order version.

I'm still sad they're not at the athletic club every one was a model, or so it seems.

 

He doesn't have the whole population deceived. Far from it. He has his trained seals and flag-waving fans, certainly, but he and his propaganda machine can only do so much to limit what people know about Ukraine, especially as time passes and information spreads.

Putin's fake victory in Ukraine would be like Trump's fake electoral victory in 2020, except with more support from the press for the reasons you have stated, and so with some more popular support, but in Russia as here, the people would ultimately end up bitterly divided over the issue.

Since Putin can also count on rigged elections, though, I suppose it may never cost him his position. It's horrifying that modern media can be, and is being used to Orwellian effect with such success. Despite the widespread and instantaneous availability of so much information, people end up with wildly inaccurate ideas about what is real and what is not real because with that information come a whole lot of lies and misinformation/disinformation, and people are too often unable to discern between the good and the bad due to their personal biases.

 

The Kremlin chimp can only suppress so much....eventually much will be filtered through to the masses....sanctions are biting.....lots losing jobs...access to services etc....basically one spark can ignite a wildfire.

 

I agree with you both that Putin cannot keep the truth from spreading. But what he can do is maintain power through force and intimidation, if he stops this before he loses the support of the KGB and the oligarchs. These two organs are crucial to maintaining his power and position, and if he loses them, he’s through.

Again, if he doesn’t declare victory and get out, this is not going to end well for him.

 

"Declare victory and get out"?

That's open to interpretation.....what sort of "victory" are we talking? If it was to remove Zelensky and install a puppet.....Vladolf has failed. And installing a puppet is NO guarantee of anything....chances are whoever it is would be assassinated with a week. Putler knows this.

The other option would be some forcible annexation....which would be worse....it would require some 600K+ troops to brutally suppress for any chance of success.....and would mean committing 80%+ of Putlers armed forces and a HUGE cost to the Kremlin crippled with sanctions from hell.

There's no good options right now for the Putler ...other than stay on course...continue losing up to 500 per day not including equipment....or end up dead from one of his inner circle.

 

He and his cabal at the top rule Russia with an iron fist, and so he can tell the Russian people anything he wants. The Russian people don’t have to believe it, but they do have to shut up and submit unless they are willing to die in a Siberian prison.

I think he has made a gigantic mistake, and he has only one really good option, and that is to end the military attack, give his submissive people some face-saving bs, and then negotiate.

He is actually in a pretty strong position to negotiate because Ukraine and he both know that NATO will not protect Ukraine. I think he has a pretty fair chance of getting most of what he wants.

There’s his way out of this mess he’s gotten himself into.

 

True....this is a colossal mistake....which Russia won't recover from...for a considerable amount of time....a decade maybe.

End the military attack?....sure....but will Putler listen? Not if Zelensky remains in place....the way I see it....he has no choice but to press ahead.

After all said and done...whatever that is....is where Ukraine will get $$$ to rebuild.....EU won't be much interested in a devastated state.....Nato won't come near.....Russia is sanctioned to hell, and will be experiencing a crisis of its own in the near future.

I've heard a few unconfirmed reports of Ukraine disconnecting from the Russian power grid and reconnecting with the EU power system....along with Moldova....but that's not confirmed and if it was true....I can't see how it would change anything?

 

It is a hell of a question whether the Russian people will acquiesce or will eventually lose their fear and force him out despite the repression he uses against them. We have seen both scenarios play out repeatedly in modern history.

If he ends up Bashar al-Assad's boat, he likely won't have a savior to come in and save him the way he did for al-Assad.

 

China ..."might"....and what I mean by ...might...is the Chinos might say we'll bail your a$$ out....but they'll extract such a high price from Putler that he'll be basically giving away resources away to the Chinos.

 

Yeah, maybe. I suppose they might deem it worth the effort to save a vassal and not risk having Russia join the free world.

 

Yah...lol....basically Russia would be a vassal....not that it isn't already...lol.

Russia join free world?.....would ordinary Russians know what to do with that freedom?

 

I don’t see a popular people’s revolution taking him out. My estimation of the Russian people is that there are some with courage (We’ve seen that recently) but not enough. I think the security organs (KGB, police, military) are too invested in the status quo to do anything either. And with informants everywhere, communications monitored, etc, it is extremely risky to try to plan anything with anyone. There is no way to know who to trust.

But I think Putin has done long term harm to Russia, and if it ends up hurting the oligarchs, I could see a coup developing in the future. The KGB would have to turn on him too, and I don’t know if they would do that.

He’s playing a risky game, and I still think he should declare “victory” and end the military attack on Ukraine.

 

Yeah....Putler/Russia is a badly wounded, paranoid animal right now.....and will be for the foreseeable future.

Well...Putinka doing long term damage to Russia is an understatement right now....afaic....Putler probably doesn't trust himself right now.....

I doubt he can end the military campaign now....for whatever reasons.....that's even far riskier for him.

If anyone takes him out....it's within his circle....and whomever replaces him....could be even crazier. If there is a bloody coup ....I would hope Nato states are on high alert with safety catches off.....if there's a vacuum...no one knows where anyone's fingers are.

 

This is what it looks like to me as well. He comes out looking like a rabid nutjob to the rest of the world no matter what "victory" he declares to his people.

With that said, I'm not understanding @Seth Bullock's comments about the media shutout. I know that Russia is controlling what the people see and hear about the war in Ukraine and sanctions, but he can't do that **forever**.

Plus, it's not like Putin is invading another ethnic group. Russians have loved ones in his crazy drama. Add in some of the top brass being killed, captured soldiers saying they were lied to about the mission and their frantic parents being locked up back at home for protesting, he's probably not stacking up benevolent points right now.

All hell would break loose here if Biden cut off all our communication with the rest of the world. Admittedly, I am a US American citizen so "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Assembly" and "Freedom of the Press" are things I take for granted.

 

First things first. You haven't even locked her up yet!

 

@MJ Davies There's no freedom of the press in Russia. Putin's media will tell the people whatever Putin tells his media to tell them.

They don't even have to believe it. It doesn't matter because dissent is not allowed. It is exceptionally dangerous in Russia to speak against the government, even to people you think are your friends.

It was interesting to hear Putin threatening his own people in that long rambling speech he gave in that stadium the other day. He was clearly sending a message to his own people - We will chew you up and spit you out if you go against us. In Russia, that is not an idle threat, and Russians know it.

 

I have no words to that, Seth. Just f***ing ugh.

 

Exactly. Doesn't that tell you how corrupt this government is. But hey, Trump had a phone call with Zelensky once... "We're gonna impeach the mother ****er!"

 

Putin's dictatorship will end in disaster, says former Russian minister
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~ The same will likely happen to Ping — all without the help/ influence of the USA .

 

@MJ Davies @Durandal @zoom_copter66

In spite of our problems here in the U.S., sometimes we still have reason to be thankful.

 

You are a wise Republican. .......who seems t THINK and evaluate...as opposed to just "follow along'.

Good on ya.

 

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has put some Trump-aligned far-right Republicans at odds with the majority of their party

As a rare U.S. bipartisan consensus forms around Ukraine, notable Republican holdouts are fighting to push the GOP toward “America First” isolationism. One Senate Republican aide said their response to the war "has shown some of the online right to be kind of out of touch."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...KOxrLl1ErprWd9QhS8qktzWpaH9MyGAu/IGN+vy8BAAA=