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  1. Grau

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    The OP states:

    "Do you think the Israelis were involved and knew there was an attack was eminent and they basically allowed it to happen?"

    The answer to both questions is "yes" and "yes".

    Furthermore, America's most treacherous and parasitic "ally" helped carry out this terrorist attack that murdered thousands of Americans.

    Israel's history of False Flag attacks on American installations, ships and military bases(2) to serve its own interests goes back to the Lavon Affaire in 1954 (1) and America's infestation of Israel Firsters howled "anti Semite" then too.

    Howling "anti Semite" at each and every act of Israeli treachery, ethnic cleansing, and betrayal has become so common that former Israeli Education minister named it "The Trick".

    EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

    And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

    Shulamit Aloni
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm

    Re:
    The source I posted earlier does, indeed, state that the Israelis were "arrested and detained":

    "Dancing Israelis Police and FBI Reports 9/11/01"
    https://archive.org/details/DancingIsraelisFBIReport/fbi report section 1/

    EXCERPT "These are the police and FBI reports relating to the arrest and detention of 5 Israeli men who were found parked in a white van near the Hudson river on September 11th, 2001. A witness reported that they had been filming the attacks on the World Trade Center and "celebrating." Their van belonged to the company "Urban Moving Systems." CONTINUED

    The names of the eyewitnesses who saw the Israelis who set up their cameras prior to the tragedy, filmed it and then danced in glee at the mass murder of thousands of Americans would only be important to someone who wished them harm for their role in exposing yet another Israeli False Flag betrayal.

    Those still gullible enough to believe the Official Story should know that the FBI never even considered Osama bin Laden a suspect in the 9/11 tragedy:

    EXCERPT "If you go to the FBI's website and click on Osama bin Laden you will see that he is wanted for a couple of crimes but not the 911 attacks. A top FBI spokesman said there was no hard evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the 911 attacks. Obviously the FBI realizes the widely viewed confession tape of Osama was fixed to make him look like he was the mastermind." CONTINUED (3)





    (1) "THE LAVON AFFAIR IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF?"
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

    EXCERPT "In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

    Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".

    But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing."CONTINUED


    (2) "Israel Charged With Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines"
    http://www.wrmea.org/1995-march/israel-charged-with-systematic-harassment-of-u.s.-marines.html



    (3) "Mossad's Obvious Connection To 9/11"
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0902/S00499.htm
     
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    Re:
    "The Five Dancing "Israelis" Arrested On 9-11"
    http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/mossad-agents-911.htm


    You were saying......?
     
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    Like I said, the stuff he posts is completely delusional since you provided all the necessary official documentation.
    Not even crayolas work.

    they ****ing admitted it on TV ffs



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    Clearly at the very minimum they had foreknowledge Usually moving companies move furniture into building.

    These guys were advertising moving 767's into the wtc.



    Welcome to beyond the typical outer limits in a 911 thread LOL


    Who are the witnesses?
    Are they right handed or left handed
    Did they smoke cigarettes?

    Ya but you dont know what size shoes they were wearing and you dont know what they ate for lunch.

    and YOU CANT PROVE IT
    PROVE the questions I asked or everything is a lie lie lie lie

    Its all they got when they know nothing and cant construct rational thought patterns.
     
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    If the FBI doesn't believe that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 tragedy, why would any rational, objective and informed person believe a story that is regarded as impossible by thousands of airline pilots, architects, engineers and demolition experts?

    I suppose it's for the same reason that P.T. Barnum who said: "There's a sucker born every minute." came to America to make his fortune.

    I think that we've both posted enough credible information to get any rational and objective person to at least consider the fact that the Official Report is not true and complete.

    I think that it was Al Gore who said "You can't get someone to believe something that they're getting paid to not believe."

    Thanks for the links.


    "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    EXCERPT "Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.” CONTINUED
     
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    It is not regarded as impossible by anyone with any intelligence.

    There are no thousands of demo experts, architectds engineers etc who say otherwise

    Before you even cite AE911truth or Pilots911 truth you should realize the FACT that those orbanizations have been exposed as fraudulent
     
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    No such documentation was provided and the questions are legitimate.

    Lack of a straight answer does equal a lie.

    You would konw as you have been destroyed by myself and others on every thread you stroll into
     
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    Perhaps you can explain why the FBI did not consider bin Laden guilty of having anything to do with 9/11 or how Building # 7 imploded exactly on its foot print without being hit by anything.......terror termites?

    Why do you suppose so many Firemen and EMT eyewitnesses report that explosions brought down the buildings? (1)

    If you really believe the Official Report, I've got a slightly used bridge for sale for you to add to your collection.


    (1) “Witnesses to the Towers' Explosions”
    http://911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html
     
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    We know why biuilding seven collapsed and it's " footprint " changes nothing,. Fire and damage from the owers which collpased next to it brought it down.

    No witness claimed that explosions brought down the buildings. you are misquoting.

    You are posting lies. it is YOU who has bought the bridge in brooklyn.
     
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    You really believe that "fire and damage" from the next door buildings caused Building # 7 to collapse precisely on its footprint when in 1945 a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State building and it's still standing with no structural damage?(1)

    Try thinking for yourself for a change rather than believing anything and everything the government pours into your head.

    Re:
    I can't understand how you are in such denial of irrefutable facts. I just cited a source that quotes about 30 eyewitness accounts. Here are just a few of them:

    Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
    ... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

    Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28]
    The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.

    Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]
    We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

    Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202]
    But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion.

    Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]
    we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

    Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11]
    You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down.

    Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8]
    ... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions.

    Jason Charles -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
    ... and then I heard an explosion from up, from up above, and I froze and I was like, oh, s___, I'm dead because I thought the debris was going to hit me in the head and that was it.
    ...
    I look over my shoulder and I says, oh, s___, and then I turned around and looked up and that's when I saw the tower coming down.

    Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]
    .. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.

    Kevin Darnowski -- Paramedic (E.M.S.)
    I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.

    Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]
    It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...

    Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
    Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.

    Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
    ... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.

    Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)
    I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.

    James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
    I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.

    Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)
    Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.
    ...
    My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.

    Gary Gates -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
    So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.

    Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
    ... I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes.

    Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
    Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

    Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118]
    You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.

    John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
    I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.

    James McKinley -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
    After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we're running.

    Joseph Meola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 91]
    As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.

    Kevin Murray -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 18]
    When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino

    Janice Olszewski -- Captain (E.M.S.)
    I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding, whatever.

    Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]
    At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that.

    Angel Rivera -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
    That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook.

    Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
    I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

    Patrick Scaringello -- Lieutenant (E.M.S.)
    I started to treat patients on my own when I heard the explosion from up above. (2)
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    I stated that several Firefighters, EMTs etc heard explosions and you claimed that I was "misquoting".

    Show which one of the above eyewitnesses I "misquoted" so we can see who's really posting lies.




    (1) "1945 Empire State Building B-25 crash"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Empire_State_Building_B-25_crash

    EXCERPT "On July 28, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber of the United States Army Air Forces crashed into the Empire State Building in New York City, while flying in thick fog. The accident caused the deaths of fourteen people (three crewmen and eleven people in the building) and damage estimated at US$1 million (equivalent to about $15 million in 2021), although the building's structural integrity was not compromised." CONTINUED


    (2)“Witnesses to the Towers' Explosions”
    http://911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html
     
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    What happened to the empire statre buiilding does not compare.

    You are misquoting again. No one heard EXPLOSIVES


    There were explosions as would have to be in ANY building fire. The bigger the building the more explosions.

    That in no way equals EXPLOSIVES.
     
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    I noticed that you evaded my request to explain why even the FBI didn't believe that bin Laden was responsible for 9/11.
    Why?

    Re:
    You're not qualified to make that pronouncement so name another sky scraper that has been hit by a large airplane.

    Re:
    The eyewitnesses, below, are just a few of the many who contradict you.
    They mention "timed explosions", "bombs", "materials shot out horizontally", "planted explosives" and Thomas Fitzpatrick even stated: "... this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."

    There can be no doubt in any reasonable and objective person's mind that the buildings were deliberately rigged with explosives and deliberately blown up to further inflame America's anti Islamic sentiment.

    Netanyahu correctly stated that only Israel stood to benefit from this additional betrayal:

    "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. (Netanyahu) He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

    http://altbib.com/bak/dox/925.html
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    Witnesses to the Towers' Explosions
    http://911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html


    Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]
    we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

    Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]
    .. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.

    Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]
    It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...

    Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
    Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.

    Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
    ... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.

    Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)
    I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.

    James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
    I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.

    Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)
    Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.
    ...
    My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.
    Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
    Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

    John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
    I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.
     
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    I was wondering who you were responding to then it occurred to me, the only poster in this forum I have on ignore, the pathological denier, a total waste of time and energy. You are correct, he's not qualified in the least, period, end of story.
     
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    Your question is irrelevant.

    Yes I am qualified and your anaology with the empire state building is a false analogy.

    These witneses do not coontradict me at all. Not one of them saw or heard EXPLOSIVES.

    That is fact
     
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    Spoken by the man who only ignores those smarter than him. He is the true king denier
     
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    Yes, I can understand why you might have @Soupnazi on ignore even though I have no one on ignore.
    I figure that other readers will decide for themselves whose argument is the most rational and supported by the most credible facts.

    Anyone with a little knowledge of salient facts and common sense should be able to see through the Official Report.

    Surprisingly few people know that in 1945 a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State building at the 79th floor and did no structural damage.
    Why didn't it implode precisely on its footprint?
    The answer, of course, is that the Empire State building wasn't rigged with explosives like the WTC buildings were.

    Also, most people don't know that jet fuel is basically kerosene and can melt steel. I've been a blacksmith for 25 years and can assure you that it takes far more than a topical application of kerosene to have any effect on structural steel.

    I could go on but you're already quite familiar with this topic.

    Thanks and enjoy your weekend.
     
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    In my years of Posting here and reading responses here I have never read such bizarre responses that exemplify abject denial of the facts.

    I'm perfectly content for other forum readers to determine which argument is the most factual and credible.

    Enjoy your weekend...
     
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    No one needs to read any of the phony NIST reports, no one needs to be an architect or an engineer or a controlled demolition expert or even be well versed in physics to know WTC7 was a controlled demolition. All it takes is to be able to view the videos, have seen at least one controlled demolition of a high rise and have reasonable intelligence and as you say, common sense. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a steel frame high rise 47 stories tall and an acre wide to "collapse" into its own massive structure at unimpeded free fall. If one doesn't learn about free fall in grade school, then one surely learns what free fall is in high school. As Shyam Sunder, NIST's lead engineer admits: "free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it". If a structure such as WTC7 could be destroyed in the exact same manner as any perfectly planned and executed controlled demolition due to fire alone (according to NIST's hypothesis), then there would never be any such thing as controlled demolitions. All one would need is to set fire to a building, it would take no planning and be a far cheaper method of totally destroying a building.

    Few people also know that the 1975 fire in the North Tower started on the 11th floor, spread to at least 6 floors, lasted about 3 hours and there was never any danger of a collapse.

    I think you mean can't melt steel. Kerosene is also difficult to burn. It burns best when it's aerosolized. Most of the jet fuel can be seen exploding in a fireball on impact outside the tower. So it had little effect on the tower other than starting fires, which were nearly out just before the tower was destroyed.



    In any case, none of that is applicable to WTC7, that was just a limited office fire. Even NIST agrees to that.

    Thank you, you also.
     
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    Wrong.

    I have denied no facts you have not presented facts.
     
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    If it is so easy to see through the offiical report why is it that you and bobbie cannot refute the official report with facts or evidence?

    You are quite wrong and out of touch. Most have heard of the famous crash of a B25 which was a lighteweight bomber into the empire state building. It is irrelevant as it bears no real comparison to massive heavy jets crasdhing into completely different buildings.

    The WTc was not rigged with explosives.

    No one EVER claimed that kerosene melted steel or had an effect on steel

    He is a massive failure at this topic and so are you
     
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    Yes, you're right, I did mean "can't melt steel" in the sentence above.

    Also, thanks for the additional information.

    Have fun...
     
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    Hi, I like your name, Soupnazi! It sounds quite humorous. And besides, the Nazis were honest and upright people. Thank you for honoring them here.
    I also admire you for your strength of character and the endless patience you have in dealing with your stubborn opponents, who seem to have a hard time "getting it!"

    Take a rest and have a Happy Sunday! :relax:
     
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    Re:
    Do you even bother to read the Posts you can't refute?
    In my earlier Post # 87 I listed numerous eyewitnesses who heard the bombs and explosives going off just before the Towers collapsed..

    In an earlier U-Tube that has since been censored you can see the puffs of debris flying out horizontally as the Tower collapsed.

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    So, you're claiming that fire had no effect on the collapse of the Towers?

    Finally, we get to the topic of this thread. How do you explain the fact that the 5 Israelis knew in advance that the planes would hit the Towers and were already set up to film the event before it happened?

    Why did the celebrate at the tragedy and additional Israeli betrayal?
     
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