ARE WE ENTITLED TO AN HONORABLE CONGRESS?

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Which means you support murdering Americans and cops if you don't get your way.
    Yeah, we know


    Which never happened which actually means you prefer to regurgitate fake information over your own credibility.
    You must have been banned from some other political site so now you're here regurgitating the same ole nonsense.
    Which is why you hit the ground running here.
     
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  2. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the barriers is the the skepticism, which unfortunately is the result of experience seeing the endless promises of improvements turn out to be schemes to benefit special interests. I've founded 8 businesses over 50+ years, and I couldn't begin to count the number of shady things and shady people I've run across. However- I taught myself to be able to identify those, an limited my dealings to people who valued honor- and that changed everything. I met with my video producer yesterday and we discussed the question of how much to reveal before we are ready to go full public, and we both agree that must be limited. Of course, most people will look at anything promising what this does with skepticism, and without seeing the whole plan will just use what they can see. So, no, I can't fault that.
    What I would prefer is that people stay open minded, embrace the possibility that we can change what's happening in America by getting our house in order, following the rules. The founders who wrote them, created the constitution- were absolutely brilliant and visionary. We aren't trying to change those rules- only to require they be respected. I do appreciate the support!
    We aren't far way from going public- I'm hoping two weeks.
     
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    There is nothing healthy about police killing an unarmed black man and not get any kind of punishment. There is nothing healthy in a society where two men can’t get married. There is nothing healthy where a 14 year old girl is forced to give birth against her will. There is nothing healthy about young children are not taught about the true history of their country because they might feel guilty or ashamed. There is nothing health about denying climate change.
     
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    And how does that change any thing I said , People in CA are American. Your problem is you don’t think those liberals, those minorities in CA are American. You think white voter in middle America are the only one who are Americans. No wonder majority Americans reject your view!
     
  5. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    DEFLECTION
    Never claimed they weren't

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    Never claimed they weren't

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    Never claimed that

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    You wouldn't have a clue what the majority of Americans want.

    When you can respond on topic without all the elementary deflections, let us know
    Thanks
     
  6. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But there is something very unhealthy about twisting the facts and teaching half-truths or lies. The same is true for losing your priorities, and placing things of minor importance above those of major importance, and doing great damage because you lost your focus. YOU have lost that focus; what you value is selective to the point it ignores the bigger picture. That creates chaos, when only order provides an environment that fosters positive change.

    Society cannot prevent all "injustices". It's made up of humans who will always include people with faults- and some people who are fringe radicals with no self-control.... people with tunnel vision that can't see the forest for the trees. You say it's unhealthy when an unarmed black man is killed by police. Is it unhealthy when a black man ambushes and kills a policeman? Unhealthy that black people commit murder at 4 times the rate of white people, and that the person most likely to kill a black person IS a black person? The people who rant about injustice have told us breaking into stores and looting is reparations, not theft. That every white person is a racist- which is exactly the position that we have been recognizing is wrong for a very long time; that color of your skin defines your personal value or character. Teaching one side of anything is a lie. making that one side the only thing to be considered is much worse, that is a conspiracy to manipulate- and mostly manipulate children.

    If you want to make things better- start with yourself. You have a long way to go to get a realistic handle on reality, and right and wrong.
    You want to see a better society? Become a better person. Raise the bar. Set an example. Accentuate the positive. Encourage people to grow up- to become strong, and independent- and civil.
    Show them how to do the right thing, be an outstanding citizen. Or- you can remain an agitator, whining about imperfection.
    Agitators never fix anything- they just make things worse. The "justice" they say they seek requires injustice to satisfy- so the problem only grows.

    Anyone can be a whiner, a complainer, a destroyer. Being on the other side requires bringing a lot more to the table. Do you have any of that?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you have never heard of the effort underway for years...."Convention of the States". It's eventually going to happen. Think I'll finally join. Something has to be done to keep government in touch with it's people. Globalists aren't going to like it. It gets closer every year.
     
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    Applications for such a convention have been put in by all 50 states, one person has filed lawsuits against every member of congress for failing to support them, and lost- the SCOTUS somehow decided the Congress wasn't obligated to accommodate the states applications. Another sorry example of the broken connection and the failure of honor we are seeing grow right now.
     
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    Your generalization about 20-somethings is absurd. Many can't afford to buy a house because we adopted economic policies that inflated home prices. Last year home prices went up 30% in Florida and 20% in California and Texas. So, you mock them...
    Not the one you're on, thank god.
    Yeah, they aren't living in the parents' basement. Doesn't fit with your ridiculous generalization. Oh, well.
     
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    No we are not. Because governing in a democratic republic is a lot like making sausage. It is always messy and usually disgusting.
     
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    Yet more deflections that have nothing to do with what I posted
    As per usual

    Sorry, your wife's late 20s niece has nothing to do with what I posted
    Another fake deflection
    Thats all you ever have
    As per usual
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never said it was all easy, but I wouldn't have thought you to be a person willing to be part of making bad sausage acceptable. If we want our society to be a worthwhile place to live and raise our families, there is a moral obligation of every person in it to support that, and a right to expect that all the members of that society will try That will never be absolute, but the quality of the society we create depends on how many of us won't settle for less.
     
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    It's countering your sweeping generalizations.
    My wife's niece. Right now. 2022. She and her airline pilot male friend aren't living in their their parents' basement.

    Just countering your generalizations about Gen Z.
    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    I don’t agree with anything you have been saying. But that’s fine. I don’t have to. Same goes for you. You don’t have to agree with anything I have to say. It seems like you think your ideology is better for the country, and implementing conservative ideology with same the country. My question is how do you implement these conservative policy? By Force? Because you definitely can’t implement these policy by winning election.
     
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    this is what the country wants .. you live in an alternative reality that's why you can't read simple facts.


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    Coming from the poster who gave this response to my claim of Trump winning the majority votes in 49 states
    Then moves on with nothing but off topic deflections,
    Your post speak for themselves
    No go get an education, maybe post on Facebook for a while, then come back when you can provide anything on topic or
    of value.
     
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    So what Trump won majority vote in 49 State? What is your point?
     
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    The point speaks for itself. More people voted for Trump in 49 states than did Hilary.
     
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    But more Americans voted for Hillary then Trump.
     
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    Hillary won the majority vote by 3 million voters. She won California by 6 million more voters. Which means Trump lead Hillary by 3 million votes before California voted.
     
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    And who gives a **** about California? What do we need the 5th largest economy in the world for anyway?
     
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    Probably why its the only state with negative numbers of residents because of people and businesses fleeing the state
     
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    You are right , they are all moving from CA to RED state and turning them BLUE state, just look at AZ and GA. Atlanta is one of the fastest growing City in USA. Not only CA, American from IL, NY , moving to RED state and changing the politics. Soon there will be fewer and fewer RED state,
     
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    Your are right about implementation by election.

    Aside from all the variable in people from all philosophies, a society will always be a blend of sorts. The objective isn't that everybody think the same, but that at least they can reasonable agree on an objective, that being of a thriving country and people. There will be some who can't stand that idea, but it is what most people could agree to.

    The philosophy differences actually come down to a kind of perception of how to do that. Some views are very limited is both scope and time, and I see the liberal and democratic views being that consistently. The conservative view is more to the future- which like it or not, is always coming fast.

    If you think of reaching a future goal, what you do today is always connected to the objective.
    If you think short-term, what you do is always oblivious to the future consequences of today's choices, and focused on the emotions of the moment.

    With absolute consistency, the short-term approach will always come up short in the long term, and the long term is invariably not far away.

    If you apply this for example to economics, you have pretty much described the two formulas for success and failure.
    The same is true with the health of a society. It's built- not legislated, and it can only be built with solid components.

    Think of society as a structure-- like a brick wall. The components of the wall are bricks and mortar, built on a solid foundation. In the structure of the wall every brick has abond, a relationship to the next- and as a result, the bricks themselves are stronger as a unit than they would be individually.

    In a society, the foundation is the basic values we hold.
    The bricks are the people. The mortar is the relationships that make bonds between people.

    The quality and strength of the brick wall depends first on the quality of it's foundation. Then, on the quality of it's bricks- which begin as lumps of clay mud, and only mature to bricks by being fired.
    Bricks not matured are weak, they fall apart easily and add no strength to those around them... they are still mud blocks.
    The mortar that holds them together is equally important. It only works if it can bond and work for all the bricks it touches, and remains durable.

    The quality of a society depends first on the quality of it's foundation- it's fundamental values. Ours is the declaration of Independence, the Constitution and some social mores that we generally value as applicable to all. Next, it depends on the quality and strength of each brick- of each of us who are part of it. Strong ones contribute to the overall strength.... weak ones degrade the strength.
    Like the brick wall, a solid society stands up to the weather, the stresses, the test of time. The mud wall- does not, because it cannot. It lacks the core strengths to do so.

    Society next depends on the relationships between people, which are our mortar- the combination of laws, values, principles and character we voluntarily adhere to. IF they are just and fair, and IF they are respected, the bonds transfer the strength of the collective to each person. If they are not just, if they don't apply generally equally... they degrade the strength of each person.

    The liberal/democratic concept is that you can build a society with the equivalent of mud blocks, mud mortar of random rules and values that are popular at the moment- the short-term thinkers-
    just throw it together without concern for those sticky details and expect it to work... and the result is the equivalent of a mud fence.

    The conservatives are the long-term thinkers. They understand these values are built and earned, and that is a cultural product that result from strong families, from honesty in leadership, from the modeling and respect of the right values.

    As the balance of these two kinds of thinking in society shifts, society strengthens or degrades. It's cultured; it will never be instant in building it up- but if the process of building is not continuous with each generation, it can be rapidly degraded... and that is happening right now.

    Though you do not understand this nor see it because you don't back off far enough to look to the future and grasp the big picture- you are choosing the mud fence over the brick wall.

    It's not a matter of being perfect today. It's a matter of having a goal, and building the way to it.

    Yes, I probably wasted my time explaining my point. Then again, you may at some point in the future when you wake up and wonder why things are not what you thought they would be- realize you built a mud fence.
     
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    Finally, we are getting somewhere. I don’t agree with you, but we need conservative idea just like we need liberal idea. I don’t want to see Democrats win 49 state and 77 seat in Senate, but that is where things are moving. Every election less and less people vote republican. Only reason republicans are still competitive are Electoral College and gerrymandering. As demography changing rapidly and mass migration from liberal state to Red state, soon electoral college and gerrymandering will not stop blue wave. More and more young generation don’t subscribe to conservative idea. Young evangelical reject social conservatism, minorities already find GOP a racist organization. Again, your idea might be great, but if you can’t convince majority Americans then your great idea is useless.
     

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