Tyre Nichols beating: Race Theory vs CRITICAL Race Theory

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    The absence of homosexuality and transgenderism in 7th grade sex ed, IS NOT "homophobia" It isnt even heterosexism. It is at most heteronormative.
     
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    We don't have open borders. That's a fraud.

    The Schengen Area in Europe has open borders. We don't have them.

    Restricting the supply of immigrants, legal and illegal, will help improve salaries, but that's only part of what's necessary to fix this...

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    I made $3.05/hour as a grocery store clerk in 1964, $29.30 in January 2023. Clerks' wages have dropped significantly. I made more than an average teacher does today when overtime, and Sunday and Holiday double time is included.

    I support of a national ID and going after employers hiring illegals. We can model the ID on the Nexus Pass.
    More important was the breaking of unions.
    A national ID based on a government database that has fingerprints and iris scans that can be checked with a cellphone. Employers who don't check and get caught hiring an illegal--a hefty fine. Get caught flaunting the law? Jail time.
    As long as you understand the problem isn't strictly related to immigration, legal and illegal.
     
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    Not really because a lot of the rightwing opponents deny systemic racism exists.
    It's not in the public school curriculum and would be rejected by liberal teachers because the CRT propagandized by rightwingers is racist and teachers would never support it.
    CRT is not a coherent theory and the idea racism is "forever" in the United States is not something teachers support. It's not something liberals believe.
    They don't because you're focused on the element, typically Marxist, who promulgate the notion systemic racism is a permanent condition.
    Not only do most not believe racism is permanent, but the idea they believe government should discriminate against whites even though it's enforcing system racism against blacks makes no sense as an a solution white or black liberals support.
    This has nothing to do with public education.
    This is absolute nonsense. You have no evidence this is taking place because it isn't taking place.

    The idea liberal teachers who support civil rights favor discriminating against whites because society is irredeemably racist is absurd on its face. How could one think government intent upon discriminating against blacks would instead discriminate against whites?

    The way for teachers to fight back is to meet with parents and remind them of what teachers actually support. and make it absolutely clear the claim they support discriminating against whites is absurd. They should openly oppose DeSantis in Florida and refuse to cooperate with his teacher-bashing policies.
     
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    Teachers believe, and I agree, that homophobia is at the heart of the discrimination against homosexuals.
     
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    No, they deny that systemic racism as CRT defines it is racism at all. Racial disparities do not equal racism.
     
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    Teachers arent really qualified to make such determinations and I suspect it is instead the deep seated, irresistible biological drive within 95% of the population that compels an attraction to the opposite sex.
     
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    Yes, it’s proof that some are attempting to inject CRT principles in public education.

    How many times do you need it proven?
     
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    Of course it's cultural differences. Culture is PART of the system. WHAT cultural differences are NOT systemic but cause the disadvantage? Name them!

    You seem to be struggling to answer a direct clear question with a direct clear answer.
     
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    The comment I made is meaningless outside its context. ALL comments anybody makes are meaningless if you take them out of context.
     
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    LOLOL!!!!
     
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    I’ve seen accounts of studies from groups as ideologically different as Brookings and The Heritage Foundation that cite three such differences when it comes to driving poverty. From memory, your chances of winding up poor can be reduced by as much as 90% if you do three things:
    1. Finish high school.
    2. Wait until age 21 before having your first child.
    3. Be married when you have that first child.

    Their numbers held regardless of race. If racism were the driving factor, these studies would have produced different results.

    To further this thinking, a quick web search tells me that the median income for Asians in 2021 in the US was $101k; for whites it’s $80k. Are we to believe that it’s not cultural differences driving a 25% higher median income for Asians, but instead some form of systemic racism holding back white workers?

    Culture matters.
     
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    Here would have been your opportunity to point out that context.
     
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    Once would be nice
    A 1.5yr old tweet proves nothing.
    What has he posted since that old tweet? What has he actually proven?
     
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    Then we’re done. You’ve already acknowledged Rufo proved it with data from a year or two ago.

    Very pleased we were able to make this progress.
     
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    That's right. But the question is what makes black people be treated differently.

    We know our history has made them less likely to get a good education. And that is a large part of the problem. But education is part of the system
     
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    I actually thought we were done. Since you have not proved anything.
    And NO, I acknowledged he proved nothing.
    Here's the tweet again, note, it says buckle up. In other words, more to come. Because this tweet only talks about what he is going to do. He hadn't shown anything in this tweet.

    "The media is doubling-down on the narrative that "critical race theory isn't in K-12 schools." So I'm going to put together a thread debunking this claim and showing you exactly what's happening in classrooms across the country. Buckle up."


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    I've been waiting for you to show his further proofs. Did he do anything at all to prove CRT is in primary educations?
     
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    Read the WHOLE conversation. It's all there.

    And don't think it did not go unnoticed that you were unable to state any factor that is not systemic that determines why black people are treated different. So my case is made.

    Thanks for playing...
     
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    What is it that drives extreme rightwingers to discriminate against homosexuals? Hate? Homophobia?
     
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    That’s a somewhat obtuse turn of phrase. How is someone “treated” into a decision to leave high school early or become an unmarried, young parent?
     
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    Critical pedagogy was founded by the Brazilian philosopher and educator Paulo Freire, who promoted it through his 1968 book, Pedagogy of the Oppressed. It subsequently spread internationally, developing a particularly strong base in the United States, where proponents sought to develop means of using teaching to combat racism, sexism, and oppression. As it grew, it incorporated elements from fields like the Human rights movement, Civil rights movement, Disability rights movement, Indigenous rights movement, postmodern theory, feminist theory, postcolonial theory, and queer theory....
    McLaren has developed a social movement based version of critical pedagogy that he calls revolutionary critical pedagogy, emphasizing critical pedagogy as a social movement for the creation of a democratic socialist alternative to capitalism

    As of 2022, McLaren is ranked in the top 15 percent of all social science and humanities scholars in the world, based on his D-index (Discipline H-index); he is ranked 217 in the United States and 428 in the world
     
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    I'm sorry, but CRT is something that is only taught in law school and you're talking about politics and sociology so you clearly don't understand CRT.
     
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    Sorry, I simply refuse to believe you could be that blind. You are pretending you don’t see the evidence before your eyes.

    That tweet is the start of a chain of tweets citing more than a dozen instances of CRT or CRT principles being taught in public schools. You only needed to open your eyes and scroll down.


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    Well, then, we're resolved: systemic racism exists, isn't inevitable or enduring feature of society, and teachers are correct in teaching students about systemic racism.
     
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    Hopefully, by the time people are in law school they're examining the CRT debate over the inevitability of systemic racism. The idea CRT is "taught" as an ideology doesn't make sense given there is no agreement among CRT advocates on theory.
     
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    Sorry, no, CRT is more than a claim that systemic racism exists in places. The theory asserts that racism is inherent to our political, economic, and legal systems — i.e. that the nation itself is systemically racist, and thus that the United States, as an entity, is designed to maintain white supremacy.

    Whether you realize it or not, your defense of CRT is a classic Motte and Bailey fallacy.
     

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