Why do many pro 2ndA just default between all guns v no guns

I already told you what 'unorganized' means in regards to the militia. You just dont like it (and I notice you havnt tried to refute it with an alternative meaning...).

But lets say I'm in the so-called 'group' of the unorganized militia, what does that mean in regards to the 2A? Or what does that mean in regards to anything? Does it change my individual right to bear arms at all? Does it change any of my individual rights? Cuz if it doesnt, than it doesnt really matter whether you think its a group or I dont.

 

You have indeed discussed cases before. You're talking constitutional law ffs.

 

Again: You're discussing constitutional law. You're unable to do that without case law.

^ See what I mean? You're discussing laws. Laws include caselaw.
QED.

 

As stated: Its possible its also a 10a issue, but its certainly a 2a issue. Whether from the state or federal perspective post 14th amendment.

Further: Ordnance is your claim. Back it up with an historic analog or a distinction drawn by the founders.

 

In the US, we have the right to own and use 'all bearable arms"
"Need" is not related to this in any way.
We don't care what other countries do.

 

it's irrelevant. unlike pre FDR second amendment decisions, there is no second amendment case law involving ordnance. And no court will hold that hand grenades, missiles, mines or explosive munitions are within the protection of the second

 

Never, get away, no one on the planet knew that. You are amazing. (Sarcasm off)

 

You aren't interested in the truth, eh?

 

I'm only interested in the answer to my thread.

Why does your brain hear, "Banned", when ,"Regulation", is said, but, only when the topic is guns?

 

So what I'm hearing you say is there is no case law you can cite for your proposition. You've just hand waved it in.

Do you see how silly you look now? Do you understand you should've just said that in the first place instead of pretending otherwise?

There is no support for your position, it doesn't pass Bruen. If Kavanaugh won't sign on: Tell me again how Trump had value because he put in '3 great justices'.
You can't pass the ordnance camel through the eye of the Bruen needle. You know that, I know that. Stop pretending otherwise, its ****ing off-putting.

 

Bullshit. I responded to your thread with a complete answer explaining the why of it. You ostentatiously stopped reading on the 4th word and proudly announced same.

 

See my first post which you ignored.

 

Unfortunately, I had umpteen mouth frothing alerts for this thread. I will look a little later after supper.

 

You offer a strawman.
It doesn't.

 

Unfortunately, I had umpteen mouth frothing alerts for this thread. I will look a little later after supper.

 

There you go.

 

It does. It's in every thread on American forums. If you can regulate the type of gun, not to carry them out n public, keep them locked when not in use, pass a proper background check; then enjoy guns. As soon this is mentioned, the American gun nut just hears, "Gun ban". The ball is in your court.

 

Gosh if only you'd read the posts explaining why its considered a binary solution set.

 

I'm pretty clear on what by brain hears, and it doesn't hear what you suggest.

Even if true: Irrelevant to above.

I can enjoy my right to keep and bear arms - including my right to carry a gun in public - w/o any of those things.

You can repeat your strawman if you wish - he's still made of straw.

 

Can you look back in the thread. I don't entertain split up posts.

 

A pro 2nd Amender will always avoid the thread topic.

 

I addressed your topic in full.
You just don't like the response because it doesn't fir your preconceptions.
That's on you.

 

All I see here is you avoiding repsonses you don't like.

 

The problem I've got is, umpteen mouth frothing posts coming my way from various gun nuts that can't just answer the thread question. Also, if someone just dissects my post into several sections with snippet replies, I can't be arsed with those because it just makes me re-read what I said in snippets, with all to often crap replies.

 

The problem is, umpteen gun nuts reply, I get umpteen alerts and they mouth froth off at everything but the thread question. So yes, it's annoying, I will miss loads of mouth frothing replies.