Why do many pro 2ndA just default between all guns v no guns

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Talking about that - let’s see what the NRA was up to

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    BFD. the NRA is minor league in terms of lobbying compared to big leftist donors like Soros,Bloomberg, and of course they are dwarfed by the anti gun propaganda that Big Tech like Google, Face Book, Twitter (until recently) spew

    have you ever looked into the marxist disinformation center VPC? do some research about its head scumbag Josh Sugarmann and his well known lies and disinformation
     
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    your argument is akin to saying Fundi-=Muslim theocracies have freedom of religion because you can find a Mosque within a five minute walk of anyplace you might be. That Christians and Jews are banned or murdered would not impact your silly claims. The UK is a gun banning regime. thousands of lawful pistol owners had to surrender their weapons the bedwetting over Dunblane. I am curious, have you ever taken firearms to England? I have, several times to shoot birds and as a member of a US Shooting team. I suspect you really don't understand what you are talking about -which is consistent with your comments about the USA
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well each year the Democrats go closer and closer to being hard core socialists, collectivists and authoritarian control freaks. The woke culture is a frontal assault on freedom of speech, for example
     
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    It is not lobbying (and now I KNOW you did not read the links! It is the money being funneled into the NRA itself - you know the money Wayney-pooh used for all his fashionista outfits?

     
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    Nothing wrong with a degree of socialism - in fact most of those countries on the freedom list are waaaay more socialistic than America
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wayne's a turd, that is true. But he isn't trying to deprive people of their rights unlike arch scumbag Sugarmann, Diaz and the rest of that cabal
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah and the people who concoct that "freedom list" think freedom means being able to suck on the public tit or live on the work of others.
     
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    https://gun-control-network.org/press/us-uk-comparative-data/

    So although the rate of firearm ownership is lower it is proof that gun ownership is possible. Just most Brits like Aussies just don’t want to own one
     
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    You didn’t watch the video did you? I KNOW because I have it playing now and it has not finished
     
  11. Bowerbird

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    No most believe you can live without having to go into slave like debt to pay medical bills
     
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    Try fast forwarding to the 33 minute mark to hear how the NRA rep is advising that the One Nation Lobbyist go straight to the gun manufacturers


    Oh! And listen to them talk about seeding the news with stories of how people have defended themselves with guns
     
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    In a nutshell, such folks only want ONE freedom.

    Freedom from responsibility.

    Any responsibility they can abdicate to government adds to their perception of freedom. Being an automaton who’s every action and thought is dictated to them by an authority is their utopia.
     
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    its a two way street-those who think everyone ought to be able to outsource personal responsibility to the government also think that individuals can be stripped of their rights to make decisions concerning their own welfare or safety. "government knows best" is the main religion of the gun banning left
     
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    LOL; maybe show us a KGB produced video next
     
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    GASP!!! Having actual real news stories about the positive aspects of firearms ownership is a BAD thing?

    Are you saying you want a one sided narrative that ignores reality in your news?
     
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    you have a marvelous command of rightwing phrases and trerminogy, BRAVO! has it ever occured to you that those wokes are in fact human being at the virtual bottom of barrlel uf humanity who also wish to live with the freedom of the constitution you always shout about rather then be called names and demonized
     
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    Aaaaand you still didn’t watch it! No bother didn’t expect you to but it is hard to ignore the tapes of people saying “how to sell a massacre”
     
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    No they were invented stories - which if you had watched the video would have been obvious . The NRA operative is on tape bragging about buying a “friendly” journalist or writing stories for law enforcement officers for them to submit. I used to wonder why these stories were so prevalent in America but only heard once or twice in Australia and the UK - then this tape came out
     
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    Ummm. No. Please watch your video. They are not invented stories. They are stories that were written by people wanting a two sided narrative. Written with the help of law enforcement officers, using information from law enforcement.

    There is no evidence any of the stories about self defense use published with or without involvement of the NRA are not factual— NONE.

    Your own link does not offer ANY evidence any reporter is “bought” as you claim. it does not even use the words you are using.


    You are saying things about your own link that ARE NOT TRUE. Oh the irony.

    Please present some evidence journalists have been “bought” as you claim. Please provide evidence the stories in question are fabricated. Your link does not allege “invention” of stories as YOU have claimed.

    Please try and stick to facts Bowerbird. Please supply some evidence to support accusations you have made that your link does not. Go…
     
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    Texas has over a million registered NFA weapons. California has 406,000 registered NFA weapons.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/215655/number-of-registered-weapons-in-the-us-by-state/

    NFA weapons are explosives, automatic weapons, short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns.

    If guns were the problem, we would know...lol
     
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    You cannot show this to be true.
     
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    Sell a massacre...?
    Like Demcorats and other anti-gun trogs do, every time one hits the national news?
     
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    Funny... last I looked, handguns and AR-15 type rifles are banned in the UK.
    Thus, the UK, bans guns.
     
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