Yes, only, as I deem appropriate. Your theorem is what ran out a long time ago; it has no validity in reality. Playing? Yes, it's obvious this has been a big game to you, jerking peoples chains that are attempting to have a serious discussion about the Constitutional rights enjoyed by AmeriCANs. While you frolic and the little kids table.
I don't have to debunk, address, or even take a big heaping dump on them. Our Constitution says what it says, and our SCOTUS has affirmed it, reaffirmed it, expanded it, and re-expanded it to the point that as soon as NYC gets its knickers knocked off of it again by the USSC, if you happen to live there, you'll be riding a subway full of people legally carrying firearms! But here's the thing.. You are, if you live in NYC, already riding the subway with armed individuals, it's just they're not the kind of people that follow laws, and if the lighting is right, and the crowd is against your favor, you might end up on the business end of one of their guns, with nothing but your johnson to wave at them as a means of self-defense. The law-abiding ones, the ones who are not carrying right now, they're the ones you have nothing to worry about from, yet they are the ones that make you quiver in your boots. And they're the ones that may just come to your rescue if you find yourself in the situation I just outlined. Not if they knew how you feel about the topic, I'm sure, but they would have no way of knowing that. You don't believe in freedom, you don't believe in the individual right to defend themselves, and you don't believe in the American way. Why are you here? In the country I mean, not this forum. On this forum, you post these threads to try to catch us in some sort of linguistic trap so you can pounce and scream, "See, I'm RIGHT, YOU JUST SAID SO!!!!" OK. You're right, I just said so. I'll say it twice if it makes your blood pressure go down a little bit. But that doesn't change a THING. It's meaningless. I'm a nobody, as is everyone else in this entire forum, unless we have some undercover SCOTUS Justices among us, which I highly, highly doubt. We can blow sunshine up your skirt all day long, and half the night, and it doesn't mean a thing. In my State, 1 in 6 adults has a carry license. In 45 out of 50 States, it's legal to open carry, and in a lot (though the number keeps increasing so rapidly, I cannot remember precisely what it is), you can legally concealed carry WITHOUT a license! They're trying to get that passed here, too, but it's been given the legislative poison pill in the process (these things happen), so maybe not this year. But... For us, there's always next year. For you... Not only do you have to have the Court reverse itself, something it won't do for generations if that, you'd also have to get around the 9th and 10th Amendment arguments that the 2A is unnecessary for our RKBA to be and remain unmolested. It's only there as a backstop, our rights exist even in its absence. After the Bruen ruling and 2-factor test (text, combined with history & tradition) has a chance to promulgate and reach its full meaning, potential, and intent, man you better call your doc and load up on the Xanax pills, because baby, there will be carriers everywhere you look, go, and visit, save the inside of an airplane. Guns to the left of you, guns to the right, there you are stuck in the middle with... yourself, your semantic arguments, and the satisfaction thinking you managed to get someone with a semantic gotcha online! Oh, and your johnson if you ever find yourself in need of violent self-defense. I hope it's big and heavy, else you may be in trouble!!
True.... you don't have to debunk unless you find bunkum. Happy to see you didn't. Not interested in discussing SCOTUS. Not the topic of this thread.
The "topic of this thread" is self defeating because, it has no relevance to the real world, the real law and the historical precedence we AmeriCANs all live by and, have lived by since OUR Constitution was ratified. There is no reason to debate you on your proposition, it's irrelevant to reality. The, only debate is that you believe yourself to be much more cleaver than you are; pointing that out is the "play" you keep thanking us for and, embarrassing yourself with. This is the game "we" have been "playing" and you're too self centered to get it. ROFLMAO. But "thanks for playing". IF, proving your irrelevance is your goal? Nailed it! In three threads and thousands of times no less.
Wonderful post. You reminded me how lucky I am to live in a state her we don't DEBATE freedom... we simply LIVE it. Blue states waste so much time, money and other resources debating things like the 2d Amendment, when its not really a logical discussion for liberals, its an emotional outburst. Here we have "Constitutional Carry". Any legal gun owner can carry open or concealed with no permits, no registration, no magazine capacity restrictions, no waiting periods... none of the irrelevant issues blue staters seem to obsess about so much. The spirit of freedom is strong here. Our Governor outlawed all the COVID mandate tyranny in March 2021 (masks, injections, spacing, school/business closings, etc.). We have no state income tax. We have the freedom to concentrate on making ourselves and our kids successful, our lives fun and enjoyable, and our futures bright and secure. TEXAS!!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!!
if you really want to see disgusting fascists using emotionally distraught pawns, look at some of the propaganda sites that show up on Face Book. One of the worst is "Sandy Hook Promise" where Karens demand people sign petitions against "assault weapons" or accuse them of not caring about little kids being murdered. This is the sort of crap that the anti gun movement constantly uses.
Once again, you think that because you think you caught me saying something I did not say, you make hay out of it as though it actually means something, or gives you or your dictatorial overlords any credibility. You have none. You probably actually think that we take you seriously, or that when you say something like this that I openly gasp and think, 'Man, he's right, we've got to start taking people's birthrights away from them, pronto, because this proves I've been wrong the whole time! Yet another thing you are wrong about. We're mocking you and you don't even know it!! That's okay pumpkin, SCOTUS is interested in talking about you, and those like you. And telling you to zip it and go home, game's over, you lost, get over it!
I'm a DeSantis supporter. I like Abbott even more, but the realities of the wheelchair make his nomination difficult.
They were voted down because those people were a lot smarter than the people now and it was ****ing common sense; so the Supreme Court had to make clear that the obvious was enshrined in its Heller decision, because people are stupid now.
And if this is all true, then why didn't the government confiscate guns 200 years ago or 150 years ago or 50 years ago? Why are people still trying to get the government to confiscate guns? Because they are stupid, and can't see the historical pattern? Yes! And btw, it was never considered a CONSTITUTIONAL right, but an INALIENABLE right from the Creator. Self-defense, being a historically proven and necessary part of protecting one's life, doesn't need any justification whatsoever, because it is self-evident. Arms are commonly required for that purpose since MAN has developed beyond mere fists.
In Heller v. DC the Supreme Court clarified 238 years of how OUR Constitution has been interpreted and implemented, particularly with respect to the Second Amendment. From its inception, including the time when the Founders were alive to ensure that OUR Constitution was being followed AS WRITTEN, the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT of all AmeriCANs to own firearms, in current popular use, has been the law.
just stop the silliness. the only fault in the Heller decision is the homage it paid to unconstitutional crap like the Gun Control Act of 1968
It's also distressing to see gullible Americans being professionally deceived by our anti gun MSM where, as you observed, children are manipulated and exploited(1) so that gun banners can disarm the law abiding. America's anti gun MSM bias is so bad that I can't remember even one time that a 2A advocate was allowed to speak without being yelled down by these same professionally deceived gun ban zealots whose arguments are long on emotion and deception but short on facts. The first of the following articles explains the ways in which Bloomberg's "Everytown" manipulates statistics and the second article is about CNN's Chris Cuomo lying about the ease with which an AR-15 can be obtained. I hope you find the interesting, (1) “CNN: Blatant Bias Against Guns Shows Lack of Integrity” https://victorygirlsblog.com/cnn-blatant-bias-against-guns-shows-lack-of-integrity/ EXCERPT “But if you think that CNN has learned its lessons about skewing research in order to push a political agenda, you’re sadly mistaken. CNN’s bias against guns continues full-force, and their latest attempt at “research” is once again a mass of hot garbage meant to support the gun grabbers’ agenda. That story was so much floating dreck that included incidents that had nothing to do with school, shootings that took place in the vicinity of a school, but not necessarily on school grounds, drive-by shootings that took place after school hours, and coincidentally happened to have taken place near a school, and toys. Last time, they never admitted to including toys – BB guns – in their count when they explained their methodology. They did not think anyone would actually fact check their hysterical claims, much like when the media furiously reprinted blatantly false, biased “research” from Everytown – claims that were so obviously doctored, that even FactCheck.org took them to task.” CONTINUED (2) "Fake News CNN Pushes False Story About AR-15 Purchase" https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/fake-news-cnn-pushes-false-story-ar-15-purchase/ EXCERPT" It’s becoming clear that most mainstream media news is nothing more than globalist propaganda. CNN’s Chris Cuomo proved that when he pushed a story about a lying kid who said he purchased an AR-15 without an ID. But Cuomo was busted, then continued to deflect from the fact that he pushed a fake story."CONTINUED
there is a scaled down 22 RIMFIRE rifle for training younger shooters called a JR 15 IIRC. the hysterical jackals on one of the grifter sites (these include Sandy Hook promise, Safer America, Everytown for Safe Criminal working conditions and all those organizations created "in response"to either Sandy hook or the florida shooting that allow leeches to suckle off donations made by weak minded emotobabblers) were whining about this rifle saying it is marketed to kids (it is marketed to parents trying to train their kids) and when I went to the gun's page, I had to put in my AGE to merely look at it. maybe some of those 87,000 new (assuming they get hired) IRS agents ought to look into these "non profit" organizations that appear to be cash cows for the con men who create them
gun banners constantly intertwine state laws with federal laws and try to prove that the second was not about individual rights by citing state restrictions that apply to private individuals. This most dishonest nonsense ignores that federal infringements on the second amendment were not hatched until the nefarious New Deal administration tried to rape the tenth amendment. So when commentators pretend that the second amendment was NEVER interpreted as an individual right until recently, it is a lie for two reasons. 1) Cruikshank in 1877 held it was a restriction on federal actions (true, incorporation was not applied till much later) and 2) there was no need for anyone to invoke the second amendment until FDR but by then the democrats had stacked the federal courts and the Miller decision was a premeditated scheme to uphold the blatantly unconstitutional NFA what the anti gun scum in academia constantly ignore was that the federal government was a NEVER GIVEN ANY-I repeat ANY AUTHORITY over private citizens acting in their private capacity concerning the use or ownership of firearms.
prove it. you have failed to even address the fact that not a single founder has ever DENIED an individual right and many affirmed it
You have been participating in these threads for months (years?) now, and you STILL don't get what they are about. The OP STATES that most of the founders (maybe all) DID believe that people had a right to own firearms. They had ZERO intention to remove that. That is not the point. The point is that this belief was so self-evident to them, that they DIDN'T address it in the 2nd A. In their minds, this would be like enacting a constitutional amendment to address a right to own pants, or to own a horse... I am SURE I have explained this to you several times. So you are either not being honest by trying to appear as if you don't understand it. Or you really actually DIDN'T understand it. Which means that... Well... mods wouldn't take kindly to me explaining what that would mean. But it's obvious. And, after so many times I have explained this, I think this... unmentionable explanation as to why you keep ignoring this... is actually the case.
Which makes the OP irrelevant. What the Second Amendment does is codify the right of individual Americans to own firearms that are popularly in current use. A right which in the Founders minds was so important to liberty from tyranny, that the they felt is necessary to make it number two in OUR Bill of Rights which, enumerate fundamental rights held for individual Americans and their States.
Owning pants or A horse isn't something that was historically and currently attacked by only authoritarians like ownership of a gun is. It was try stop people like you. It was ratified in 1791 and it has been affirmed and reaffirmed by the courts throughout history. You are failing at gaslighting.
he ignores the entire environment in which the bill of rights was created. England tried to seize firearms from the patriots.
