“TRUMP ASKED US TO GO HOME”; Video Re-Surfaces Of Jacob Chansley Urging Peace

You have no room to comment on anyone "missing the mark". You STILL have not answered a very simple question.

 

Where was Fort Sumpter located?

 

For trespassing to occur on the federal level, several criteria must be established. none of which were. However, that does not negate the Joint Session of Congress to certify the election results. the moment they stormed the capitol and disrupted the proceedings is the moment that crime and others were committed.

 

Fort Sumter was located in South Caroline but owned by the Federal government. Hence it was federal property even in those days and there were US Federal Troops, regular Army personnel, there, aka blue bellies. They left Fort Moultrie and went to Fort Sumter.

For instance, if Texas were to secede, then Fort Hood, which is owned by the Federal Government, would still be federal property. And firing upon it would change from an act of secession to insurrection the moment the shots were fired.

The myth of the Lost Cause is not going to help you here. It was a dark time in history and it has been revised with the Lost Cause being one of the biggest revisionist histories ever desired in our history. But the simple fact that Fort Sumter was fired upon led to the First Battle of Bull Run which led to the nearly 5-year civil war. That is history. You are citing his story.

 

Take a look through these cases and tell me what made Chensley special that he was denied bail.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

Pay particular attention to Thomas Adams Jr.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

The Fort was considered part of sovereign territory. It posed a threat to South Carolina and they rightly required it to be turned over. Imagine the United States refusing to evacuate the land of a foreign country. Would that be acceptable?

 

This should have ended a long time ago. But you guys keep repeating the myths, lies, and conspiracy theories out there.

for instance, in the 2020 elections, who got more votes than Donald J Trump as certified by the states? Biden did and got more electoral votes as the result, but you guys won't acknowledge that will you because you still harp on the big lie, even when Fox has admitted it in court filings with Dominion Lawsuit.

Let's look at the infamous videos. Again the simple question is do any of the videos exonerate, ie material and favorable, to any defendant, especially someone named Jacob Chansley? No, it does not. And it is the principal reason why none of you will answer that simple question with a yes or no. Instead, you are continuing the charade because you can't admit that Trump supporters actually committed federal crimes. Thus, the talk about "due process" being denied is a bunch of BS, pure and simple. Instead, you are going on emotion, desperately trying some way to blame Democrats and the DOJ while your own acted like the very people you despise, namely BLM and Antifa. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black here on double standards. Geez.

 

Still making strawman arguments.

 

On US Government land. It was a Federal Military Base.

 

He requested bail but he was denied. Being denied bail is not a violation of due process. He had his hearing. The judge ruled, and the judge did not rule in his favor.

This is a federal judge in Arizona. Judge Denied because she deemed him a flight risk based on those statements. Those statements include:

1. capture and assassinate elected officials
   
2. Left a note on Mike Pence's desk saying, "It is only a matter of time before justice is served" where VP Pence stood during the Joint Session of Congress
3. He claimed that Mike Pence was a "child trafficking traitor" and he intended to return to Washington DC for Biden's Inauguration.

Given those statements and his participation, he was denied bail. That time in jail is part of his 41 months, in which he will be eligible for release in July 2023. That is way before Trump could become President again if he wins.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pro...ers-meant-to-capture-assassinate-pence-2021-1

So what part specifically was he denied due process? Justice does not work on mass bulk here. It is a case-by-case basis, with each being weighed on the merits of their own individually.

We have federal and state laws where bail can be denied, but there has to be a legal reason. One is the threat of more violence. another is a lack of connection to the community. A third is the type of heinous crimes committed. For Jacob Chansley specifically and only him, it was the threat of future violence given his statements to the press and online.

 

No rightly involved.

Do you think when a communist country nationalizes an industry they can "rightly" just take possession?

 

That does not help you. Yes, Buchanan was asked to surrender the forts. But that didn't happen, did it. So what happened next? The South fired on Fort Sumter. And the rest is history.

By sending a letter asking for the surrender, you are acknowledging that you don't own it to begin with, hence why you asked for the surrender. He was not asking for the men specifically. He was asking the men AND the property. But none of that property was owned by the South. None of it just as Fort Hood is not owned by Texas.

 

If a corporation builds a plant on foreign soil and they are asked to leave, what choice do they have?

 

Well, that's a lot of bs. It ignores the principle of sovereignty. By refusing to evacuate sovereign territory the North brought on the Civil War.

 

Do you understand the difference between Federal owned property and state owned property? There is a huge difference and that is where sovereignty is located. Even property we own in foreign lands is considered US Soil. This is Ambassador residences, US Consulates and Embassies, US Military Bases Abroad, etc.

You say the words but have no idea of the meaning or definition.

 

Yea, keep telling yourself that.

 

It isn't a question of what can they do. The question is, is right for the country to do that?

The question isn't what could the Federal Troops at Fort Sumter do. The question is was it right for the state of SC to demand their surrender?

No, it wasn't their fort, it belonged the United States Government.

 

He should keep saying that...you don't have any understanding of many of the words you use.

 

IT WASN'T THEIR PROPERTY

It was the "sovereign" property of the Government of the United States.

 

Shaman guy was a herded scapegoat. The question is how many other herded scapegoats were being herded using the same negative political tactic?

To be used in the Infamous January the Sixth… Insurrection Production Televised in the Public Square for all to see!!!

Unfortunately using only Hammy Melodramatic “cherry picked” Spectacular Drama of Negativity to bolster their political desire to finally take Trump out somehow, someway or in any way long before 2024.

Time will tell if they will achieve their unAmerican desire using their negative political tactics to continue to destroy America and Her People in favor of their Absolute Power over the herd people. Via using their Power Hungry desire for the herd subjection of the masses.

 

I read that the DOJ had asked for Chansley to receive a harsher sentence as a way to set an example among the January 6 rioters, That seems so unfair in light of the fact that plead guilty to only single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress. Was it because who looked scary? Lol

I don't think the man was given a fair trial or a fair sentence.

 

Keep up.
I did not claim that Trump was more popular than Obama. I wrote that Trump set a new record, and it beat the recordholder Obama's, for having won the most popular votes for a sitting president.

The rest of your post is totally irrelevant to what I wrote in my post above so it too is dismissed.

 

How would you know I only look at Turley's opinion to form my own opinion? Any reputable attorney would say the same as Turley. Of course, Turley is correct. It's very concerning if in fact it is proven that Jacob Chasley was robbed of his constitutional right to due process. The next step is an appeal. I hope his legal team wins an appeal. I don't see how they couldn't in light of the videos they say they never received during the discovery process.

 

Some are programmed to call names. I can only go by what they've been doing since Trump came into the political arena. Some have no use for anyone unless one is on their team so yeah, they would prefer their opponents didn't vote.

 

It doesn't.
But it matters not, he lost to a challenger who had the most votes in history.

So he lost the popular vote for the 2nd time in a row.
And lost the electoral vote in a landslide as the incumbent.