Pfizer had evidence their jab increased myocarditis risks

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  1. Steve N

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    I got the first two Pfizer jabs and developed chest pains after the second one which is exactly what was predicted, thankfully they went away after a few months. But as a person who had open heart surgery, I NEVER would have gotten the jabs if I knew about this. Is this why Big Pharma wanted to take decades to release their data? More photos of docs at the link.

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    I had inflammation around the heart area after the second jab.

    Perhaps I am wrong, but I thought this was one of the disclosed side effects before I took it.
     
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    I hope you’re now ok and everything is fine.

    My jabs were a total screw up. I got my jabs because the company I worked for found out my family tested positive, I had yet to test and was forced to get shots or lose my job. On the day I got the shots I was asked if I tested positive and I replied I had not tested yet but just recently couldn’t smell or taste anything. They had a meeting and gave me the first shot. A contact tracing call by the dept of health the next day told me to get tested and it was positive. I got the jabs when positive testing people weren’t supposed to get them.

    when I went to get my shots I wasn’t told what shots I was getting or any of the side effects. I only learned it was Pfizer when I got my vaccine card.
     
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    Thanks. I'm ok but I won't be getting any more boosters if I have any choice in the matter.
    That's seriously messed up. What a debacle. Now we know why your system overloaded.
    That sounds completely unethical to me. I guess with the emergency clauses they could do whatever they wanted at the time.
     
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    It certainly was on our consent form
     
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    I'm glad it worked out for you. Everyone involved in this is completely untrustworthy.

    This was yet another series of disinformation attacks on the American People.
     
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    Our consent form

    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-consent-form-for-covid-19-vaccination_50.pdf
    Information form
    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-guardians-of-children-aged-5-to-11-years.pdf
     
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    Everyone? What ALL the doctors, nurses, pharmacists and others? All of them?
     
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    This is not new. Yes, of course this was known. It was reported since the very beginning. The vaccine-caused cases tended to be for the most part rare, mild and transient and mostly in young males (who were healthy and then recovered easily). What you are failing to consider is that the coronavirus itself causes myocarditis and pericarditis, much more severe and much more often than the vaccine.

    Like for every medication or vaccine in Medicine, it's a question of the balance between risks and benefits. The risks of (mild, infrequent, mostly in certain - usually healthy - age groups) myocarditis from the vaccine are vastly outweighed by the benefits of avoiding the (severe, frequent, in all age groups including the most at risk ones) myocarditis from the natural infection with the live virus.

    You are lamenting the fact that you were given the vaccine while you were already positive for Covid. Think of it. The vaccine introduces a few copies of the S protein (which is the toxic part that causes the myocarditis) into your organism (by way of teaching a few of your cells to make them, using mRNA that then degrades after a few hours). The live virus in natural infection introduces trillions of copies of S protein, and keeps going and going for days and days. The vaccine given on top of the natural infection is a drop of water in an ocean, as far as the number of copies of S proteins.

    You also say that due to a history of open heart surgery, you wouldn't have wanted the vaccine if you knew of this risk. While this was your decision to make and you had a right to make a well-informed one, again, you'd be, then, incurring the MUCH bigger risk of a severe case of Covid-19 with its frequent myocarditis and pericarditis. So, to avoid a very small risk (and one that doesn't even pertain to your age group) you'd be facing a much bigger risk; that's not smart. Consider yourself lucky that you got the vaccine; most likely your case of Covid would have been more severe without it, putting your heart at a bigger risk.

    It's a pity that you received vaccines without proper disclosure of risks and side effects, for a well-done informed consent. This is not Pfizer's fault. It's the fault of the providers who didn't do the correct job they were supposed to do, of properly informing you. In my case, when I received the vaccine doses from the Employee Health Department in my hospital, I got full disclosure (unnecessary since I knew it all anyway, but it was done correctly).

    I got 5 doses of the vaccines. Two Pfizers, Two original strain Moderna boosters, and one Bivalent Original/Omicron Moderna booster. I never had ANY problem whatsoever with the vaccines beyond some local soreness and tiny fever that lasted for less than 24hrs, and never caught Covid-19, despite intermittently working in a Covid unit for months and even after I stopped working there to help out, cases continued to pop up in my own unit both among patients and staff, and I never caught it there either. To this date, I never had Covid-19, and now I'm retired and minimally exposed. I attribute this to two factors: the vaccines, and my careful use of high quality N95 and N100 respirators with good facial seal.

    Covid-19, contrary to popular opinion, is not a mild disease. It can cause organ damage in several organs, even in mild cases. New studies have been showing that even in mild cases there is a huge incidence of significant brain damage, heart damage, pancreas and kidney damage, etc., not to forget the risk of long Covid. Again, consider yourself lucky that you got the jabs.

    For some very strange reason, right-wingers like you have developed a huge dislike of these vaccines, although Trump was an early proponent of them and a champion of the fast development and deployment of these vaccines. I think one of the greatest accomplishments of his administration was the support he gave to several vaccine makers to enhance the development and distribution of Covid-19 vaccines. Still, people who admire Trump are against these vaccines.

    It's mind boggling. We don't see any brouhaha about other vaccines against polio, mumps, meningitis, pneumonia, pertussis, yellow fever, etc etc etc. With a few exceptions of crazy, fringe anti-vaxxers with their fantasies of vaccine-caused autism (no, they don't cause it), nobody in America used to be against vaccines. Now, the anti-vaxxer movement evolved from fringe to main stream. I think that this new trend among the half of the population that leans politically right, to be against vaccines, particularly the Covid-19 vaccine, is a national tragedy that only multiplies death, pain and suffering.

    One of the reasons why I retired from medical practice and research a few years before I was planning to do it, is my dismay and disappointment with the anti-science stance my fellow Americans have been adopting more and more. I got tired of fighting against it. This is by the way the same reason why I only post very rarely here, these days. I got tired of trying to dispel misinformation and prejudices against vaccines, here too.

    Take care, be well, be healthy, and follow medical advice regarding needed vaccinations and other preventative care, is the best I can tell you, as a matter of (unsolicited) advice (take it or leave it).
     
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    Of course you'll have a choice in the matter. There isn't such a thing as pinning you down and sticking you against your will.

    That is a local failure of the providers who gave Steve N his jabs. They weren't supposed to act like this. They were supposed to fully inform him of the risks and benefits, for proper informed consent. This has nothing to do with national policies or with the makers. The information and the printouts of side effects were available and were supposed to be given to patients. The fact that the providers who gave him failed to do this is their fault, not the fault of vaccine-makers or policy-makers.

    Overworked, short-staffed providers during the onslaught of the pandemic at times may have failed to act as they should. While I can understand why it happened, it is wrong.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Nice to see you back! As for the anti- vaxxers - there are at least two members who do not believe that viruses exist :disbelief:
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    Yep, that's the attitude here in the United States, from a very significant portion of the population. They think that we doctors are all evil, forcing upon them this horrible thing called a vaccine, based upon this evil conspiracy called Science. This is one of the reasons why I have retired. After 42 years of practice and research, I called it quits in face of such suspicions, fake news, and misinformation. At one point, one throws the towel. One can't help those who don't want to be helped, and it's disappointing and tiresome. While I'm enjoying my retirement and traveling a lot (I just spent 28 wonderful days in my other country of citizenship, Italy), there's a bitter taste in the fact that a profession that was once considered to be noble, is now seen with distrust. I heard from a friend in Italy, also a medical doctor, that she and her colleagues are going through the same thing. Many doctors and nurses died during the pandemic, many retired, and the Italian health system that was once a model of efficiency and was once ranked 2nd in the world behind France, is now in shambles.

    I guess people have what they seek. They are torpedoing Science, which will make them in the long run a lot sicker and with shorter life spans. It's tragic.
     
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    Thanks. I never left. I just became an infrequent poster (and mostly posted about sports, the FIFA World Cup, the NFL).

    Seems like we're going back to the Middle Age.
    We now have legislators trying to make it a crime to give an mRNA vaccine to someone. Can you believe it?
    I'm lucky to have retired...
     
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    I believe most of y'all here already know my story of my girlfriend's developing cancer directly after the second vaccine. And of course the true believers say I have no evidence that it caused it but I would argue there is more evidence that it did than evidence that it did not.

    She was fine before the vaccine and then immediately afterwards she was not
     
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    And she is currently in the hospital with a recurring bout of severe cellulitis of the lower extremities that is also something new.

    They say there's an infection present and they are doing blood cultures to find whatever nasties might be causing it.

    I haven't taken the stupid vaccine and I'm alive and well and I'm not going to take the stupid vaccine. My body my choice right?
     
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    Steve N is wrong about this. "Big Pharma" didn't take years to release the data. Everything was released to the FDA and CDC before the vaccines were approved. The material was publicly available before the meetings, and the full meetings were broadcast on YouTube (before and while they were happening, I posted the links here). I also posted here the links to the studies about myocarditis in young males after mRNA vaccines, as soon as they were published, and extensively commented about it.

    What happened to him, is simply that the LOCAL providers didn't do a good job in disclosing to him the info that was abundantly available. They were supposed to give him printouts of the risks and benefits. The fact that THESE local providers failed to do so, is not "a series of disinformation attacks on the American People." It's simply because these local providers were probably overworked and short-staffed, dealing with the onslaught of the pandemic.

    Yes, there were indeed "a series of disinformation attacks on the American People" - but not the one you think. The real one was the one that was perpetrated by the anti-vaxxers, which contributed to the United States having one of the lowest percentages of basic vaccination and boosters among developed countries. No wonder we had more than 1,150,000 deaths here, more than expected in terms of our share of the world's population.
     
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    I'm VERY sorry for your girlfriend, but correlation is not causation.
    This vaccine protects against severe Covid-19. It doesn't protect against cancer, or any other disease. So, vaccinated people will continue to develop these other diseases at the usual rates of incidence, independently of this vaccine, and naturally, some of them will have them "directly after" a dose of the vaccine, a temporal coincidence that has no causality. How do we know this? Because there was no bump in cancer cases after vaccination started in America. The rates of cancer in the population remained the same. Sorry, but your girlfriend would have developed the same cancer without the vaccine, given that all that this vaccine does, is to make a few copies of a specific viral protein (the S protein) that has nothing to do with cancer. These vaccines do not enter the nucleus of the cells and do not influence cell reproduction. They are mRNA, not DNA.
     
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    Cellulitis is caused by bacteria. These vaccines target viruses. Viruses and bacteria are completely different organisms. The vaccines have nothing to do with your girlfriend's cellulitis. This is equivalent to saying: "I ate an avocado; that's why a dog bit me." Dogs and avocados are as different between themselves, as viruses are different than bacteria. They belong to different classes of organisms.
     
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    You cannot say that for certain. She was fine for the first shot and when she got the booster her arm immediately swelled up like a baseball and she got a sore throat the very same day and that started developing into lumps which was cancer of the lymph nodes... After going through 9 weeks of chemo and radiation for that she came down with cancer of the larynx and now she has had a full layrengectomy.

    While what you say is true it does not 100% disprove that there is a good possibility it could have caused it.

    Doesn't her arm swelling up like a baseball and getting a sore throat the very same day sound like a reaction of the immune system to you?

    Perhaps she was already developing cancer and the vaccine sent it into overdrive?

    I don't think there's a 100% way to say that it did or it did not but I do know that she was fine until the second shot.
     
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    I'm aware of the basic differences between a virus and bacteria. Her first bout was treated at the local hospital which is known as the morgue. They pumped her full of antibiotics and gave her a steroid and antibiotics to go home with and it cleared up for a few days but it was recently recurring so I drove her to a much better hospital the next county over.

    We should know the culture results tomorrow.
     
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    Sorry for her, but cancer doesn't develop like this, in one day.
    I know it SOUNDS very convincing to you, but what you are saying is actually quite absurd, sorry.
     
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    Yes, people get cellulitis.
    Not from the Covid-19 vaccine, though.
    That's why they are doing blood cultures.
    Because what you are trying to culture is the bacteria, to then get antibiotic sensitivity tests and treat her with the right antibiotic.
    Again, this has nothing to do with a vaccine against a virus.
    I hope she recovers soon. My thoughts and prayers are with her.
     
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    I'm glad that you know everything and can diagnose with 100% certainty from a distance.

    I know it may come as a shock but sometimes medical professionals are known to be mistaken or to lack the entire picture of information to draw a 100% conclusion.

    All I'm saying is that it is completely impossible for you to 100% say that it had nothing to do with it.

    That is impossible for anyone to just make that declaration.

    And I'm not even sitting here saying that it absolutely caused it I'm just saying what is known. Do most people's arms swell up like a baseball when they get the vaccine? What do you suppose cause that?
     
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