Pfizer had evidence their jab increased myocarditis risks

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  1. CenterField

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    Yes, most likely she had an allergic reaction to the second dose of the vaccine.
    Upon looking her up for it, the cancer was diagnosed. It was already there. It doesn't develop in one day. Maybe the very fact that she got so sick with an allergic reaction was a blessing in disguise, because upon getting her seen, the doctors noticed that she ALSO had a cancer.
    Why do you suppose that the immune system going into overdrive, causes her to have a cancer? It's the opposite. The immune system KILLS cancer cells. The cytotoxic subtype of leucocytes kill viruses, bacteria AND cancer cells.
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    You correctly say that I can't diagnose her from a distance and with limited information. But before retiring in November of 2022, I worked for 42 years in the fields of Virology, Immunology, and Infectious Diseases. I do know what is possible and what is not. mRNA vaccines do NOT interfere with cell reproduction (cancer is basically a bunch of cells that reproduce out of control) given that they only act in the cytoplasm of the cells and do not touch the DNA that controls cell reproduction. THAT's why I can tell you that this vaccine did not cause her cancer. It's just completely impossible. The coincidence in time sounds very convincing to you, but it is a scientific impossibility.

    Nobody develops cancer of lymph nodes and larynx in one day (which in her case was the day after a vaccine). These are diseases that insidiously develop until they become evident. It's just a time coincidence that she was diagnosed after her vaccine. The cancer was already there.
     
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    Oh, and by the way, after 42 years of practice, NOTHING shocks me. I know that there are incompetent people everywhere. Probably the first treatment failed because they failed to obtain a culture to ascertain the best antibiotic for your girlfriend. However this is not uncommon. We usually try first the antibiotics that treat efficiently the vast majority of cases of cellulitis; upon initial failure and recurrence, then a culture is indicated.
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    But I also do know that an mRNA vaccine can't cause cancer, because I know how the vaccine acts, and I know how cancer develops.
     
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    By the way, MUCH more likely than the vaccine, is the fact that chemotherapy and radiation therapy can decrease the number of white blood cells that fight bacterial infections. Her recurrent cellulites likely has more to do with her treatment for her cancer, than with what you imagine, that the Covid-19 vaccine is the culprit. Again, there is no evidence that the Covid-19 vaccine decreases the ability to fight BACTERIAL infections. Cancer treatments, however, do that.
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    And yes, your body, your choice, I respect that. But these vaccine are not "stupid." They are actually a miracle of modern technique. They are very smart.
     
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    That sounds like accurate information to me, thank you for that.
    But let me ask you a question.... Is there not a single case of vaccine-induced cancer?
     
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    I'm not saying that the vaccine caused it I'm just not ruling out a possibility in my mind with the limited information that I have.

    I know they say the effects of chemo and radiation last for a year to a high degree and to some degree, stick with your body forever.
     
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    DNA vaccines might... There's been cases of contamination of vaccines with viruses that can cause cancer in animals. See this article:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15889993/
    But the Covid-19 vaccine is not a DNA vaccine.
    Maybe you can believe in the expertise of the BEST cancer hospital in America, the Sloan Kettering, rather than some dude who says he is a retired doctor (I'm not lying but you're under no obligation to believe me).
    Here:
    https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/myths-about-covid-19-vaccines
     
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    This is another excellent text for lay people; very detailed, well-explained and comprehensive; I think you should read it in its entirety, for your peace of mind:
    https://www.pmccdenver.com/preventive-health/vaccines-cause-cancer
    You'll see that actually vaccination has been associated with a LOWER risk of cancer of the oropharynx.
    Again, the unfortunate situation of your girlfriend was just a time coincidence.
     
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    One in millions having issues with the vaccine vs one in hundreds dying of the virus. I go with the latter.
     
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    ~ Of course ! All internet doctors can do that. They are experts. We are merely peons to be impressed with their stellar intellect and intelligence .
    ~ MRNA is not a "vaccine ".
    ~ Very similar to your " medical" comments ... :no:
     
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    Well, the meme is somebody's body (not everyone's) somebody's (not everyone's) choice.:roll: Er, the meme only pertains to abortion issues???
     
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    ':pc:"
    ~ Here's another you may like :

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    LOL

    There's no way this happened the way you describe it.

    You had covid symptoms and your employer didn't send you home, instead they stuck you with a shot and you weren't even allowed to know what they were sticking you with, and you just let them...
     
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    Double speak from the same sorts that don't mind killing millions of babies for convenient sake but suddenly so concerned about adults because of the sanctity of life and whatnot
     
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    Obviously you didn't read their conversation when you stated that centerfield is just an internet doctor.

    Sweet Jesus, read before you post. Why do reds struggle with this?
     
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    My substitute hairdresser told me that she's had seizures ever since she got the Pfizer shot and the issue continues over a year later. That was the first time I heard of that kind of issue, but nothing surprises me with our government anymore.
     
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    Depends on when you took it. I took the moderna ones and had some heart flutters for a few days after. It wasn't until maybe a month after that I first heard anything about heart risks. IIRC I got my first jab in March 2021. Since I was the first in the family to get it, I deep dove into all the even anecdotal reports I could find before taking it and the heart issues were the one thing I never saw reported.

    Anyway, i didn't trust the pfizer shots then and still don't. I had hoped the Oxford AZ shot was going to be the silver bullet, but then it just failed miserably. The reason for my bias against Pfizer is that they were billing their trial as perfect with no significant side effects. Never in the history of forever has there been a drug trial with no reported side effects because people are complainers who will misattribute everything onto something new. I felt like they were burying data or just not collecting it, so I held out until the Moderna ones were available. The others were at least a little more forthcoming about at least some things than Pfizer seemed to be at the time.
     
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    I'm sorry for your loss and Steve's loss and the loss so many of my friends and family have experienced.

    No, the shots were promoted by all as "safe and effective". The data gathered by Pfizer was suppressed by the company. They wanted it to be kept secret for 70 years, but fortunately one honest judge ruled against them and the data was slowly released and analyzed for more than a year now. I think the data shown by Steve is part of that data.

    Pfizer operated under fraud from the start, and not for the first time. In 2003 and again in 2009 Pfizer pleaded guilty to criminal medical fraud, so that they would do it again is no surprise to those of us who've been paying attention.

    COVID Whistleblower: Brook Jackson and Her Lawsuit Against Pfizer - Intellectual Takeout
     
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    Thank you. That member's comment is so misguided, I didn't even dignify it with a response, but you did for me. He obviously didn't read post #31, and also didn't notice how FatBack appreciated my dialogue with him.
     
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    Wow. You take your substitute hairdresser's medical expertise over that of thousands of scientists and doctors. Wow.
     
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    Agreed. If it was a regular hairdresser that would be ok, but a substitute................
     
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    Funny. Over a year out, it wouldn't have been a subject of small talk with my regular hair dresser. If you could see that I have my hair buzzed the real humor could be found in the use of "hair dresser" to describe the service she provided.
     
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    15 days to stop the spread. 3 years ago, we were much more naive.
     
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    It happened exactly the way I said it.

    I was in management and for the most part my office was closed down and I worked from home unless I needed something from the office, the place was pretty much empty.

    Everyone in the company had to take their temperature every morning and fill out a quick questionnaire on the Healthview App on our phones, we had to discipline employees who didn’t fill out the app every day they worked. Depending on your answers the app would tell what to do next. When I answered that my family had symptoms the app told me to stay home which I was already doing. HR later told me to get the shots but I hesitated, my company even had an online form that we needed to fill out and attest we were giving the jabs. After my wife got sick the dept of health called me and told me to get tested, but my first shot was given to me the day before my test. The shot I got was given to me at a convention center where upwards of 2500 a day were getting it several days a week. The lines were long and moved slowly. The workers who gave out the shots were volunteers or health care retirees. It was a meat factory of them just moving people in one door and out the other. There was no personal interaction other than the normal pleasantries of saying hello and asking me if I had tested positive. I showed no signs of being sick, felt good but couldn’t smell or taste anything, they had a meeting and gave me the shot. Like I said, they were giving out the shots to thousands of people several days a week, so I doubt they were going to individually explain to everyone the ins and outs of the shot. The ONLY info they gave us was a sign by the door stating it was the Pfizer shot we’d be getting and that’s it.
     
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    The main vaccine push was before many side effects were reported and documented. We were the guinea pigs. So now people report side effects as they get them and the heart issues came later as data from this reporting was collected.

    So yes...the consent forms change as we get more data and studies utilizing that data. When I got the shots...there was no warning on the consent /information form speaking to heart issues.
     
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