America is abandoning rationality to justify illegal immigration

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm...truth bomb.

    America is abandoning rationality to justify illegal immigration

    It’s clearly illegal. It’s also not a human right. And America’s attempts to address it can surely be characterized as irrationality.

    The “it” is illegal immigration.

    In principle, when addressing immigration many repeatedly proclaim that America is a nation of laws, highlight the Constitution and cite various legal precedents, decisions and principles. With tough talk and ceremonial speeches, they even claim that those entering the country illegally will be deported.

    In practice, however, it’s quite a different story. A candid assessment of illegal immigration in America reveals confusing policies, ineffective programs, overloaded migration courts, years of legal proceedings, millions of men, women and children unlawfully resident with millions more attempting entry, and a laxity in the enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws.

    Good start, but I particularly liked this part:

    Surveys report that 15 percent of the world’s population, more than 1 billion people, would migrate to another country if they could. Among the 33 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, the proportion that would like to migrate is even higher at 27 percent, or approximately 42 million people, with the primary destination being the United States.

    Given a couple of Democratic administrations, they'll all be here.
     
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    We get to decide what is illegal. Most of the people who end up becoming US citizens, were here "illegally" at some point. Ronald Reagan understood this.

    If our immigration law was designed to fit reality, there would be far less illegal immigration.

    We would be in a demographics crisis without the past 40 years of "illegal" immigration.
     
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    OK, well maybe you had better tell me what my "narrative" is.
     
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    We get to decide what's illegal through our laws. Not some personal morality.
     
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    Let's hope that our laws would reflect our morality.

    It's not even about morality. As a country, the US needs more young people. Without all types of immigration, we'd have a serious age demographics problem.
     
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    Then why not just change the laws to open borders rather than having laws and then not enforcing them?
     
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    How about we change the law to manage the situation and not just argue with each other for the sake of arguing.
     
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    Managing the situation would be securing the borders and only allowing those who are authorized to cross the borders. I don't think that's what you mean by managing the situation.
     
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    I agree with that. I think we need to work more with the source countries. I like what El Salvador has done with the mass incarcerations. Hopefully it does end up being used as an excuse to attack political opponents.

    We also need to do something about the millions of people who are already here. Deporting them all is a non starter. It would cost way too much, and the reality is that we need those people in the long run.
     
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    "Do something" I assume means amnesty. We've already tried that and was an utter failure. I view the millions of illegals living here now as a problem that will take care of itself once we have national e-verify. If illegals can't get jobs based on fraudulent ID and SS numbers, they'll either turn to a life of crime or go home. There are places that pay cash under the table, but not enough for the millions of illegals here working illegally.
     
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    yea amnesty. We tried it before and it was a massive success.

    Amnesty isn't a border control policy, the point of it isn't to stop people from coming.

    No one is suggesting that the purpose of amnesty is to secure the border, we need to do more than just amnesty, but we have no choice but to do amnesty.
     
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    I think we have other, better choices.
     
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    Apologies. It was (very) late here when I posted. And I miss read what you were saying.
     
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    Truth bomb....? Your link says its an option piece. Looking at the stats, they are off by a mile.
     
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    America is not incapable of designing a system to help these people become legal very quickly. I don’t think the issue is they’re coming illegally. The issue for a lot of people is that they’re coming, because they don’t want them here at all.
     
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    most people have no issue with DACA, as the children grew up here and have known no other country then here

    yes, people that come here as adults and overstay are illegals and if caught are deported

    but, it's really the jobs that bring them here, go after the employers and the illegal immigration stops drastically
     
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    the reality is, Republicans been telling the world how easy it is to come here under our laws, that is basically inviting them here and telling them how to do it

    then they try to blame them coming here on dems
     
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    If you have more accurate statistics I'm open to you sharing them here.
     
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    Your opinion piece says there was 72K deportations in 2022, when there was nearly 2 million total kick-outs. See below the first 5 months of fiscal year 2022. In the other hand your source admits their 'stuff' is an opinion, and not actual stats.

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    Do you understand the difference between removals and deportations?
     
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    Do you understand both result in the person getting tossed out of the country. Your opinion hit piece missed the number by almost 2 million, As a matter of fact it refers only to ERO removals, as if those were the whole extent of the deportations when they are actually only a small fraction of the total.

    You got played, and ironically you thought it was a "truth bomb".
     
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    Can we at least agree that the US cant handle 42 million more immigrants any time soon?
     
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    If 'Republicans' were wrong about how easy it is to get in, then no one would be getting in and it wouldn't matter.

    You're essentially blaming 'Republicans' for calling out a problem they want to fix, and saying 'no, we wont fix it, its your fault for talking about it.'

    Is that how you think speech and democracy are sposed to work? Do you think people will stop trying to get in if 'Republicans' just shut up about how easy it is to get in?
     
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