“TRUMP ASKED US TO GO HOME”; Video Re-Surfaces Of Jacob Chansley Urging Peace

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    Trump supporters have always been very respectful of law enforcement. What happened at the Capital Building was completely out of character and begs the question - why?
     
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    You mean Rosanne Boyland?

    How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot? - FactCheck.org

    Her own family even said she wasn't beaten to death...
     
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    Not all of them as reality showed...
     
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    Those of us on the right have a few points that aren't mutually exclusive:

    1. There were people there that assaulted police and damaged property that should be charged
    2. There were people there who did nothing other than trespass who have been in jail for two years. This is egregious and obviously politically motivated.
    3. Breaking windows and walking around a building is not an insurrection
    4. These were not "white supremacists" despite the lefts claims
    5. This was not an "insurrection" despite the lefts claims
    5a. Police weren't beaten to death with fire extinguishers as the left claimed
    5b. Protesters weren't armed as the left claimed
    6. Information on what happened should not be restricted, and the keepers of who has access should not be hand picked by the people creating the narrative.
    7. The panel in charge of the "investigation" was as far from non-biased as you can get
    8. We all know that this is just an attempt to stop Trump from running again, just like the multiple impeachments and the "russian collusion" narrative created by the same people
    9. We know there are already multiple proven leftist agitators pretending to be Trump supporters in the crowds.
    10. We know that the FBI had people in the crowds. We know they won't tell us what they were doing or who they were
    11. We know the FBI has tried to hide evidence in other such disinformation campaigns, like when they tried to hide evidence during the Rittenhouse trials and all the things they did during "russia russia russia".


    We know they are lying to us.

    The question is is why don't you care when the government is lying to you? Is it because you perceive them to be "on your side"?
     
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    Police continued their assault on the crowd. “Not only were the people that were trying to help being hit physically, but police were also spraying mace (or some other type of gas) on everyone who was down. After Rosanne Boyland fell, the weight that continued to gather on top of her left [her] unconscious. At first, she reached out and held my hand firmly, and shortly thereafter her grip loosened On April 7, the D.C. Medical Examiner’s Office ruled her death an accident and claimed she died of “acute amphetamine intoxication.” A regular user of Adderall, a common drug to treat attention deficit disorders that contains amphetamines, Boyland probably had some detectable level in her system at the time of her death. Overdoses by Adderall, however, are extremely rare; Boyland would have had to ingest roughly 25 times her normal daily dose to die of it. But what exactly happened to Boyland—and how much of a role law enforcement played in her death—may never be known. Video clips released in August and September show disturbing scenes of police and protesters assaulting each other as Boyland lay motionless on the ground, her midsection exposed. A brief clip, likely edited by the government to prevent the public from seeing precisely what happened, shows an officer begin to drag her body back into the tunnel. The video stops seconds afterwards. Her family said the D.C. coroner repeatedly refused to release the full autopsy report. The D.C. police department also denied her family’s request for footage recorded on body-worn cameras by D.C. police near Boyland when she died. Exactly what Dunn and Gonell did with her body, and whether D.C. officers physically assaulted her prior to her death, is yet to be known.”

    — January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right by Julie Kelly
    https://a.co/7Og5IZH
     
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    The reality is that the Capital Police were completely unprepared to ensure the security of the Capital Building. The reality is that the DC National Guard were not able to act in a timely manner to stop the riot from progressing. That is what the DC National Guard does. The chain of command was inexplicably changed just before January 6th. The reality is that a relatively small numbers of individuals were provoked by a few individuals who had been urging them to invade the Capital Building and thd. removed barriers and signs indicating a restricted area around the Capital. The reality is that Capital Police allowed people entry into the Capital Building.

    There is no excuse for the rioters but neither is there any excuse for suppressing the totality of video evidence and not arresting and prosecuting those who were shown to be provocateurs and were placed on most wanted lists.
     
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    Reality shows that there is no history of Trump supporters doing anything remotely similar to what was done by a few provocateurs at the Capital Building January 6. Those people were put on most wanted lists but not prosecuted. Why?
     
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    Democrats crack me up.

    Were there ANY black BLM protesters shot in all of 2020 riots where no one did what the police asked?
     
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    Footnotes and references does not make it official or even factual. It is still opinion, period.
     
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    Sources are documented. Statements are backed up and can be checked for accuracy. Claiming that statements are not factual without checking the facts is intellectually dishonest.
     
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    This is a roundabout way of saying "his rights were violated argument and I stand with the other side." But in all due course, your semantics argument is not going to go far with me.

    Or in other words, the ones who are not "harping" in your infinite wisdom are the ones who think or believe that his rights were violated. And yet\, don't have the cajones to say so. Is that being said, who is really harping here? We have a dozen threads, mostly started by RW posters who claim from their sources that his rights were violated. The spin by Tucker is trying to change the narrative of that day. And yes, I have made my point several times, but in each time, I was responding to the person who had the exact opposite view. Or in other words, the term "harping" does not apply here in your definition. Or maybe it is to emphasize, stress the importance, or accentuate, what I say or has said. But somehow, you have not done that directly, which is why I was asking you, not obligating you, to do so. A simple "I don't know" is more likely an answer I would have accepted. Is that too hard for you or are you afraid of losing your "new found friends" on this forum?
     
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    There was one protester, Asley Babbit, who died, not by homicide but was trampled to death by her fellow rioters. And statements from a GOP representative who was there stated "the officer had no choice" while Ashley Babbitt was climbing through the window AND disobeyed the officer's warnings. A police investigation also confirmed it was justified, which means the author of your book either ignored that or dismissed the investigation under dubious reasons. One we do know of was trampled on by other protesters. Her name was Roseann Boyland. Then we have Kevin Greeson, another rioter, who suffered a heart attack. this is a medical emergency. And finally we have capitol police officer Brian Sicknick, who suffered injuries from the capitol riot. He was severely beaten and was overpowered by the mob. But those injuries did not kill him, nor did the injuries, confirmed by the medical report, did not indicate the blunt object, a fire extinguisher, was not the cause. It was an undiagnosed medical issue from the report. And no one is being charged with a homicide that day. And finally, we have Benjamn :philips who died of a stroke that day. That too is not a homicide by any standard I know of.

    So, your information is at best misleading, or worse, perjury, or in other words, the author of the book knew these details but intentionally ignored them in the book or did not represent them to the fullest possible.
     
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    Anything can be documented and statements can be used either way in an argument. It still does not prove the book is factual, especially when the book is a political opinion on an event that day.
     
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    She was run over by fellow Trump loyalists. That was an accident and no one is going to jail for that.

    She quite literally fell in all the ruckus. It happens. People have died in similar deaths at concert venues when something happens, everyone panics, and want to get the hell out of dodge as quickly as possible. There have been several incidents like this in the past few years. You may want to look at the Great White concert where 100 people died after a fire broke out. Most were trampled to death. that is technically not assault under the law.
     
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    that does not mean a hill of beans. Most people who commit murder never committed a crime in their past. Does not mean they were not culpable of committing that crime. Take the Uvalde shooter. No criminal activity. No criminal activity with Dylan Roof, the Las Vegas Shooter, the El Paso Shooter, the Buffolo Shooter, etc.

    In other words, you treat each incident individually based on the evidence of that day. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    No fact checking?
     
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    But history does so trends. Those who illegally entered the Capital Building and instigated that illegal trespassing should be prosecuted - all of them.
     
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    The people who were trying to help her were beaten. That’s factual. Paramedics finally did get her out of the melee and into a safe space but it was too late.
     
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    This is a list from Wikipedia of all black persons, males I believe, who were shot but unarmed. A majority of the list was in the process of committing a crime. If the GOP does not see anything wrong with that scenario, then it is the same for Asley Babbitt who was in fact committing a crime. Some include Michael Brown, Frank Shephard, Miguel Espinal, Calin Devonte Roquemore, and many others.

    If you want, or the author wants to make this argument, that if a person is unarmed and should not be shot, and if shot, a homicide, then it must be applied equally, should it not. But somehow, you and the Aurthur will have different rules for different folks here. And that is just another indication in the book is more opinion than factual or even logical.
     
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    And that is Asley Babbitt, and they are in the process already. Then you have those who organizeed, encouraged, and formulated the riot to begin with. Those are the so-called "patriot" groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, 3 percenters, in which more than a dozen in total. But your author in the book states otherwise and pretty much claims they really should not be prosecuted at all, that it was "totally peaceful" and so forth.
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    Babbit was shot to death by officer Byrd who acted irresponsibly and should be prosecuted.

    The police investigation was a white wash as Representative and former law enforcement officer clearly shows in the referenced book that he wrote.
     
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    We already know that the prosecution gave all but 10 seconds of the videos involving Jacob Chansley to his defense attorneys. But it does not have to provide all 44000 hours to the defense attorneys because in most of those videos, he is not in them, at all. Thus, yes, I am in absolute certainty that all relevant and exculpatory evidence was given. That is all that is required by the prosecution. Nothing more, nothing less. If the defense was asking more than that, then that is on the defense trying to make the charges political more than criminal, and that is not within our jurisprudence system.
     
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    Those people were resisting arrest and all levels of were exhausted before lethal force was applied. Ashley Babbit was surrounded by law enforcement officers and presented no threat to their or the publics safety.
     
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    Of course they are obligated to releasing all the video.
     
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    There was no plan for anything. People went into the Capital Building illegally, stayed for a couple of hours, and left. It was a protest similar to the Vietnam War protests and the BLM protests but without the billions of dollars of damages. Of course in the latter case authorities did catch and release.
     
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