The Purpose Of Philosophy

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  1. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like you have everything figured out. Good for you.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    There, now that's more Zen.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    I see that you are an authority on Zen, as well. Good for you.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I am quite the polymath.....and I don't have to pretend I'm not egocentric.
     
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    Evidence please.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Today we're seeing the right wing take action on abortion even in cases where it is medically important, what books are available, on LGBTQ issues (including moves against a private business that has cross dressing shows, insisting the biology is wrong), racism (including history), the moves against educators, the removal of books chosen by educators, etc.

    There is even now a right wing movement in FL to prevent school girls from discussing their periods.

    There isn't any question about the authoritarian direction being taken by the US right wing today.
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    Under an authoritarian government you wouldn't be able to avoid their tyranny. Are citizens unable to move to a place more to their liking in the U.S? No, in fact Americans are leaving Democrat controlled states and relocating to Republican states.

    The fact is the trend to authoritarian government comes from the left in the form of an overreaching administrative state with regulations and mandates made by unelected bureaucrats.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    You ignored what I said and added only your suspicions.

    You even added the FL Governor's "moving out of CA" meme where he ignored that almost as many are moving from FL to CA!
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    I really don't understand your comment. I didn't mention California or Florida, I mentioned Democrat controlled states
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Well, you could cite something.

    What was reported by Fox was the governor of FL claiming that people were streaming from CA to his state (supposedly because CA is so horrible).

    What was noted by fact checkers is that almost as many people are moving from FL to CA.
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    Here is the evidence:

    https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/
    10 States People Are Fleeing And 10 States People Are Moving To

    According to USPS change-of-address data, these are the 10 top states people are fleeing.

    1. California

    2021 saw a net loss of over 101 thousand households in California despite a mostly pleasant climate and robust tech industry. Rising housing costs, rising taxes and politics seem to be driving many people to look for opportunities elsewhere. Other factors that emigrants have cited are the rising threat of wildfires and the constantly increasing cost of living. Many families from the state are relocating to Texas.

    2. New York

    Moving out of New York has become trendy, it would seem. The skyrocketing cost of living and ever-increasing local, state and federal taxes are driving factors. Many technology and banking industry workers that had spent a great deal of time in the office have found that working remotely due to the pandemic better suits their desires, allowing them to leave the city and, perhaps, live closer to extended family members. New York saw a net loss of over 75 thousand families last year






    According to USPS change-of-address data, these are the 10 top states people are fleeing.

    1. California
    2021 saw a net loss of over 101 thousand households in California despite a mostly pleasant climate and robust tech industry. Rising housing costs, rising taxes and politics seem to be driving many people to look for opportunities elsewhere. Other factors that emigrants have cited are the rising threat of wildfires and the constantly increasing cost of living. Many families from the state are relocating to Texas.

    2. New York
    Moving out of New York has become trendy, it would seem. The skyrocketing cost of living and ever-increasing local, state and federal taxes are driving factors. Many technology and banking industry workers that had spent a great deal of time in the office have found that working remotely due to the pandemic better suits their desires, allowing them to leave the city and, perhaps, live closer to extended family members. New York saw a net loss of over 75 thousand families last year.


    10 States People Are Moving To
    Southern states, where taxes tend to be low and sunshine is abundant, make up the top seven places moving destinations. These are the top ten recent population gainers.

    1. Texas
    According to the USPS, Texas gained over 12,700 residents overall in 2021. Part of the influx is due to the state’s conservative political environment, which is inviting to many people from nearby liberal states. Low taxes, a robust economy, a low cost of living and excellent weather round out the list of why Texas is a popular destination.

    2. Florida
    An admittedly non-scientific survey conducted by The Tampa Bay Times told of taxes, affordable housing, sunshine and relaxed Covid restrictions being the leading causes of Florida’s influx of residents. Sandy beaches and tropical weather are a magnet for those searching for the affordable endless summer. Florida has always been a favorite of retirees and is now attracting a younger crowd with jobs that allow them to move around.

    3. South Carolina
    Charleston.com cited reasons similar to Florida’s population increase, with the addition of people in search of green space as the drivers behind South Carolina’s growth. The pandemic has spurred migration to the state through remote work allowing families to move closer together and a strong job market keeping existing residents there. The state saw a net gain of over 10 thousand residents last year.




     
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    What a ridiculous article. What makes them suggest people are "fleeing"???

    Why aren't they stating how many people are moving in vs. out?

    CA is a state of 40,000,000 people. 101,000 is in the noise level - 1/400th.

    And, yes. CA is an expensive place to live.

    The reason is that millions of people really really want to live in highly concentrated locations.
     
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    You obviously don't live in CA. People have been moving out in serious numbers for several years now.

    People have historically lived in CA for two reasons, weather and economic opportunity. Many people believe that it is no longer worth it to live here [including myself] on many levels...cost of living, politically, and just the attitude of the people which is becoming very East Coast [losing hope].

    If I was a younger person, I would pack it up and move it out of here in a second. As it is, I am seriously looking at checking out and becoming an ex-pat. It's going to be a long time before things settle down in the U.S. and I'd rather live among folks who are not so angry. One might think that having a multi-million dollar home and a luxury vehicle might help make for a reasonably pleasant life but you would think these liberal types were living in squalor with their unfriendly sourpusses and moronic yard signs.

    Btw, nobody particularly likes living in "concentrated" areas...traffic, crime, pollution, homelessness, etc.
     
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    I recently moved TO CA.

    And, your last sentence is provably wrong. Our nation's population is gravitating toward larger urban living and AWAY from rural life. This isn't limited to states that have a lot of Democrats. It's true in Texas, for example.

    I'm fine with you not liking that. But, the opportunities that become available in large urban centers are major.
     
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    Welcome to CA! :)

    Urbanization is global and has been going on for the past 100 years. It's all about jobs. If jobs were plentiful everywhere, not too many people would be doing the city thing [unless you just have to live close to museums or whatever it is that attracts people to cities].
     
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    Employers are attracted to cities, too. They need a constant source of employees and benefit from proximity to other businesses that supply them with goods and services, to a significant customer base, etc.

    In high tech it is a serious advantage to be near other high tech business, universities, and those features that attract those who are well educated. If you want to hire someone in high tech, you need to be able to convince them that the job location will be near the features and resources that they are going to want, that there will be a significant population of like minded people, etc.

    A significant feature of "silicon valley", Raleigh/Durham and other tech centers is that high tech employees have job opportunities in abundance as they grow their professional skills. Ones career path isn't stuck within one company.
     
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    I think the more people understand they can work remotely from home the more they will leave the urban areas. My son is an Intel Senior Engineer who began his career in San Jose. He still has that job but now works from home in a small Upstate New York town, having to travel to San Jose only once a month or so. You could never get him to live in California again.
     
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    I believe that once the conservative Hispanics get rid of the white liberals, CA will have a renaissance. It's probably not going to happen until the 40's.
     
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    Yes, you see it as a war.

    You DON'T see it as people living together in peace. You don't see a division between government and religion. You don't see the Pope's division between law and sin. You don't accept that others may not believe as you do.

    Evangelical protestants are never going to turn their continuing pattern of losses around, as they have NO interest in attracting people to their religion, instead being dedicated to winning wars against others who don't share their beliefs.

    We see that here, with you counting on "reinforcements" in a war that evangelicals are not wining.

    But, Hispanics tend to be Catholic. And, Catholics don't agree with evangelical protestants on the social issues that get evangelical protestants so uptight that they think it is a WAR.
     
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    After you live here for a while, you'll change your tune. These people have taken paradise and turned into a third world country.
     
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    Seems to me non-intellect is bias. The losing track of time example you gave was characterised by biases in your thoughts, and lack of clarity.

    Nope, you may just as well be on the path to blissful ignorance.

    Ok.

    Here we go again. What makes you think it is the best decision possible? Did you think I'd just randomly forget that you failed to provide a good reason yet again?

    Well, your approach to epistemology seems to me like the lazy way out. Your method seems not like a method that "works", but one you're willing to settle for because it feels nice.

    I notice with unsurprise that this doesn't answer the question.

    I have been. It is the concept of understanding as everyone but you seem to be using it.

    For everyone who has successfully been able to rely on their beliefs to be true. Anyone can get lucky, once or even several times. For further success, reliability is required.

    My post is not questioning that, it's questioning whether your "purpose of philosophy" is justified.
     
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    The Zen master thinks of himself as a highly intellectual, high achiever that is willing to do what it takes [and even among this group, few make it very far down the path]. "Giving up your ego [intellectualism] is no easy task. The rewards are legendary, though. It's not what you gain in knowledge [necessarily], it's the perspective you embrace. It's being ok with life as it is."
    And yet he comes here with an extraordinarily long laundry list of things he is not okay with: society in general, women, liberals, men's treatment, abortion, humans (lower than slugs), California......someone this miserable with the world around him is a long way from Nirvana, maybe he's on the wrong path.
     
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    Justified to whom?
     
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    Being ok with life as it is does not mean sequestering yourself away. There are issues to be dealt with in the world. I practice medicine and deal with significant issues all the time. What is your point?
     
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    Apparently you missed it.
     

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