DeSantis and GITMO - yep, you read that right

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep saying that this law bans discussing sexual orientation including a male character kissing another male character but have no issues with a male character kissing a female character which is a discussion on sexual orientation.

    The back and forth is fascinating
     
  2. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    What even more fascinating is
    1. YOU claim the bill says nothing about "gay" to allow bigots to interpret it that way, Yet YOU refer to it as the Don't say Gay bill?
    2. Your admission you support indoctrinating 5 year olds with trans and gay sexuality issues
    3. Your admission of not knowing the law specifically addresses gender identity
    4. Your admission to thinking heterosexual children, born into heterosexual relationships, can be indoctrinated into heterosexual partnerships
    5. Your admission of not knowing the bill doesn't specify anything about race
    6. Your admission that having a homosexual relationship is normal

    Did you have anything else you wanted to clarify or is this all of it.
     
  3. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being normal does not mean something is desirable, or should be acceptable. Cancer occurs in about 40% of our population. Estimates of drug addictions run as high as 13%.
    Around 10% of Americans have an IQ less than 80. Acting stupidly is becoming so normal we wonder if it's a contagious disease.

    Normal just means it occurs with some frequency- not that it should be embraced or promoted.
     
  4. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have admitted this was its purpose. What is the disagreement here?
    Just as you admit you support indoctrinating 5 year olds with heterosexual sexuality
    False
    Not all children have heterosexual parents, not all children live with the family they were born into. None of this has anything to do with them being exposed to sexuality in schools.
    False
    Normal and natural, don’t forget the natural part

    Still waiting on how you deem it ok to discuss sexuality in schools to very young children in opposition to this law while also supporting this law and only opposing it for same sex characters.
     
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t disagree with any of this.
    Back to the topic however — this bill in question was written to prevent discussion of any sexual orientation or behavior in schools yet many posters are saying what it actually means is that heterosexuality should be discussed with very young children. Which is a sexual orientation.

    So are you saying you don’t support this law or that you support the unwritten purpose of this law which is to ban discussion of anything besides heterosexuality?

    I think the desirable outcome is to teach children tolerance and that is done by having open and equal representation of different groups. No sexuality should be barred but no sexuality should be pushed either. Religion is a similar topic.
     
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  6. Condor060

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    Nothing for me. If you want to claim your a bigot, help yourself. I'm not stopping you.

    Your admission is again noted.
    Thanks



    Yet you posted this.

    When the law specifically addresses gender identity. But you didn't know that.


    So you can name any child that was born from a homosexual experience?
    We can't wait to hear this one.


    Yet you posted this

    Nothing in the bill reflects anything about race. You just tried to convolute the conversation with a ridiculous statement because you couldn't defend your own post.



    If being gay or transgender is so normal or a natural occurrence, why is it only replicated by humans?
    Because its a cultural decision. Its against all mankind, nature, and all religious beliefs and considered an abomination by. Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, and even Atheist as it does not support creative intent and rooted in the evils of mankind from the beginning of time.

    Then you bring in the negative psychological effects with expressions of hostility toward lesbians and gay men remain common in EVERY society. Prejudice against bisexuals appears to exist at comparable levels. In fact, bisexual individuals face discrimination from lesbian and gay people as well as from heterosexual people.

    If being gay is so normal, why would we even to create laws allowing same sex marriage?

    Most people I know don't care what your sexual preference is as long as it only effects the person who identifies with it. When you decide its somehow normal behavior so you can promote this lifestyle to 5 year olds, now you crossed the line.



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  7. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said what we are discussing. Not what the bill says.

    The gender identity is the same thing, y’all are fine with gender identity being discussed as long at it is cis heterosexual gender.

    I see you have now moved to editing down my posts, not to mention the reading comprehension issues — how pathetic.

    I said “it would be like you” — again, unless you believe you are the bill I have no idea how you have shifted over to me saying it was in the bill.
    Look up what an analogy is

    Homosexual behavior and relationships are seen in thousands of species and cultures around the globe and throughout history.

    I don’t care what your book club says
    It exists in nature and has existed in countless cultures around the globe for much of recorded history

    Ah yes, some people are bigots toward gay people so that means they are bad. People also hate religious people and conservatives, I guess we should bar discussion of them in school?

    For the same reason we had to create laws to allow women to vote or blacks to have their freedom.

    I bet you think you are making points that help your argument. You are not.

    You have already said you have no issues with heterosexual sexual preferences being promoted to children.

    So you believe you have crossed a line?
    I am sure this all makes sense to you unless you cannot comprehend that heterosexuality is a sexual orientation. Is that the issue?

    Also, please learn to format your posts.
     
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  8. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    So a governor who joins the military and goes where he is ordered, is a bad thing?
     
  9. Lucifer

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    Really? In that order?

    I thought it was a fascinating article about an aspect of DeSantis I did not know.

    The Iraq war showed a very ugly side about us that we have as yet to really deal with, more so with the fact that Guantanamo still exists. The fact that DeSantis played a part in it, even a small part always contributed to the whole.

    If you don't find that a topic worth exploring, then be gone.
     
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    It's uninteresting fake news.

    DeSantis never witnessed forced feedings at Guantanamo Bay

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    The source for the wild fake news claims? 'Mansoor Adayfi, a Yemeni citizen who was held for 14 years at Guantanamo Bay, claimed that Ron DeSantis observed his brutal force-feeding by guards during a hunger strike in 2006. '

    Yes, an international terrorist.

    'This story that tries to connect DeSantis to force feedings, labeled as torture by the United Nations, at GTMO is a bit too cute by half. DeSantis was a 27-year-old JAG when he was assigned to GTMO. He is now responding to the allegations lodged by' terrorist Adayfi.

    '“I was a junior officer. I didn’t have authority to authorise anything,” Mr DeSantis told Piers Morgan, in an interview to be broadcast on Thursday.'

    “There may have been a commander that would have done feeding if someone was going to die, but that was not something that I would have even had authority to do.”

    Ooof!
     
  11. Lucifer

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    Ooof, what?

    You think this is the end of this topic? Hardly!

    This is just one of many hurdles DeSantis has to overcome IF he intends to run in 2024. Of course, the gorilla in the room is still the Orange one.
     
  12. 3link

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    I think it’s a grey area and I don’t think any less of DeSantis for doing this.

    To be fair, I honestly couldn’t possibly think any less of DeSantis. But it was necessarily morally wrong for him to force feed those people so I don’t hold it against him.
     
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    He did not force feed them or order them to be force fed. He provided a legal opinion. That is what lawyers do.
     
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    I get the nuance. (I am a lawyer.) But he provided a legal opinion that it was legal for them to force feed. So he significantly contributed to the events that culminated in the inmates being force fed. Again, I don’t judge him for that. aside from the fact that he was just doing his job, I don’t find force feeding to be all that immoral.
     
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    Is this the worst thing you got in Desantis? If it is, y'all might as well give up now.
     
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    He’s also kind of an idiot and a coward. (I say that fully aware that he graduated from a prestigious law school and joined military intelligence instead of taking a cushy job at a law firm.)

    He said the Ukraine war is a territorial dispute and then flip flopped within days. He’s dumb and weak. He should have admitted he said something stupid. I would respect that. But he’s afraid of admitting he made a mistake. A classic sign of an intellectual coward.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Gee! You also have name calling. I should have known you had that little winner to bring to the table...lol.

    Did you make mistake by supporting Biden?
     
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