Explain the Focus on AR-15s and Mass Shootings

Most of these children in this dishonest study that you people like to quote are shooting one another and gang activity. Remember it goes from 0 to 19 so the vast majority of these homicides and suicides are between the ages of 16 and 19 because that's included in that wider category.

So if you want to reduce this death (I know you don't you delight in it because you're an opportunity to simp for gun control) but let's pretend you're being honest with yourself and say you want to reduce this.

The best way to go about it is find out why these kids join games in the first place. I know it argue it's to fulfill a need for a family.

I know you can't accept this because it threatens some leftist propaganda that you've been programmed with but the way to break through this wall and to stop you from drinking the Kool-Aid is to keep explaining it to you.

 

We can protect banks, politicians, etc, but we can't protect our most valuable resource?

There was a report not long ago, which said that less than 5% of the children killed by guns were at schools.

Chicago is a much more dangerous place than any school in America.

 

I'd rather not use the word "ban" as many nations are achieving their far superior statistics on public safety while still allowing people to own guns, and the word sets off right wingers who are totally irrational.

Other first world countries do take greater care in various ways, such as requiring people to declare a specific place where they may legally use their gun, limiting who carries guns around cities, what happens if someone allows their gun to be stolen, better background checking, requiring licenses to buy ammo with limits on the amount, better tracking of guns, etc.

Even in America you can own a full on WWII machine guns, bazookas, etc., but with our own regulation those guns are not found at crime scenes, such as schools.

I think we could live with people owning AKs, which were designed to be military weapons, under the same control as other military weapons.

 

OK, time to wake up.

 

Its even worse than that. It actually goes from 1 to 19. So they include the demographic of adults that suffer criminal on criminal violence (the majority of firearm homicides) most often and they exclude infants in arms who suffer the least amount of violence period.
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

 

You'll need a constitutional amendment. None of us will go for it. None of us buy your arguments. You simply don't have the numbers and never will.
Good luck.

 

I agree with that - as I have before when you have mentioned this.

Accusing me of drinking YOUR kool-aid is a little silly, isn't it.

It should be reasonable to discuss our points of disagreement and recognize points of agreement.

After all, whatever America does is going to require those points of agreement!

 

Yes you need to wake up.

 

You want to punish the law abiding in your drag net. We know 1) that is immoral and unconstitutional and 2) it will not be effective.

Further: Every time, EVERY SINGLE TIME, we have allowed a compromise of gun rights a) it doesn't work as advertised, b) and you folk tend to forget we ever compromised in the first place and get the big anime eyes about why won't u compromise UwU and demand MORE.
This time, let's try it OUR way. You have two options: i) We'll have the same security in a school we give a courthouse IE armed guards on the entrances and metal detectors. Or ii) we'll have that AND authorized persons IE teachers, can carry.
Pick one.

If that doesn't work THEN and ONLY then will I even entertain discussing another 'compromise' of my rights.

 

you can’t prevent all shootings. Do you think it’s possible to prevent shootings?

 

You can't prevent them all. But armed citizens have a better track record than cops for stopping them before casualties start. Mostly because the armed citizen is literally right there and doesn't have to get called out to respond which takes time.

 

Glad to see you have a tiny amount of rationale. There is hope for you.

I don't have any Kool-Aid I accuse you of drinking and leftist Kool-Aid.

I don't know if you truly believe the utter nonsense you said about what you incorrectly call that don't say gay bill but if you do you believe a lie.

I know it's hard to let go of these beliefs and I know what the dunning crewcraft act is but I'm serious read it it has nothing to do with kids.

Yes it should be, you aren't capable.

So I've made my points and the only thing you did is say how we can't do that because you only want one solution.

This is where you're drinking Kool-Aid you believe there can only be one solution and it's more about partisanship than it is about reality.

 

Banks are hardened in ways that don't apply to schools. For example, the target of a bank is cash. So, there isn't much of that available. The target in a school is children. Plus, school shooters don't plan on living, so they have that advantage that bank robbers don't have.

You can cite reports you want to cite. I would hope it would break down where/how such deaths occur. For example, how many children are wounded or killed by guns in the home?

Yes, there is a connection to general crime, where we supply large numbers of guns for that "purpose".

 

There is one major flaw in most, if not all of the anti gun arguments. There are over four hundred million guns in the US. Most of the law abiding will give up theirs. The lawless won't. Those that want to do harm to innocents, will find a gun to do it or some other method. In the decades required to actually get rid of the guns, the lawful, like me who live in isolated areas are at the mercy of every nut that comes along.

So please explain how me getting rid of my home defense weapons will save the life of a single child.

 

DeSantis law targets students who are LGBTQ by ordering that they be ignored (and thus ostracized) throughout education.

It isn't all through explicit directives. Simply making it high risk to the careers of teachers with undefined terminology is sure to be effective.

This is only one of the moves DeSantis has taken against those who are LGBTQ.

He supported the removal of LGBTQ from school programs oriented to addressing bullying, for example.

By demanding that parents get full records of all school interaction with students including counseling, he assures that LGBTQ students can not discuss their issues with school employees without that being the same as outing themselves to homophobic parents - thus cutting off access to counseling.

By opening school book collections for any citizen to demand review, he ensures that the most homophobic of citizens (not even parents) can cause books to be removed for a review period, where the number of books requiring review outstrips the review process. Thus information is denied to all students.

 

Like where, Beside Japan that as a culture of obedience to Authority.?

 

false it targets teachers in third grade and below. It has nothing to do with students or ostracizing or ignoring.

You have been listening to Too much propaganda.

I'm not interested in this other crap it's all based on propaganda.

Again read the legislation you'll see that you're full of ****.

I think you should change your avatar name to will not read anything.

 

Gun owners are more free of restrictions than they have ever been for decades.

There is no "punishment" issue of ANY KIND. You are just being butt hurt.

What I HAVE pointed out is that the last two (and others) of school shootings have been carried out by LEGAL GUN OWNERS.

So, demanding that we ignore legal gun owners is just flat out ridiculous.

We need better background checks. We may find that other moves are necessary, such as law on gun storage responsibility - given that the guns found at crime scenes include a LOT of stolen guns.

Also, guns at crime scenes include a lot of guns by those who found ways of purchasing them that dodged the law. So, that may just require better investigation and prosecution.

If we had no gun ownership law, then EVERYBODY would be a legal gun owner!! I don't see that as an objective. The objective is to reduce murder and other crime.

 

What is wrong with you? Do you expect children to wear bullet proof vests to school? Of course they don't wear vests.

Next what the phack are you talking about that an AR 15 uses a fairly light projectile and tends to tumble after hitting an object. That object is called a child and yes that child tumbles dead. What is going in your mind you can't admit the bullet hits a child and kills the child and arguing the bullet does not continue intop another child and kill him too is absolutely idiotic. Some do some do not. Do you not get a child is killed they don't tumble.

What is your problem that you turn this issue into a cosmetics issue as to how the gun looks. Good God man ask yourself how the child looks after they are shot.

Your response shows just how screwed up some of you gun owners are and what your perspective is.

What do I need to show you the dead bodies and what they look like?

Man oh man.

 

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Yep.

(1) The roads to school security.... - YouTube

 

Nothing I have proposed is oriented to taking your guns.

I might suggest that in certain circumstances. Those under court orders for domestic violence should probably be require to surrender their weapons at least during the duration of the court order.

Remember that you can own a WWII style machine gun or a bazooka in America today.

We've been able to live with that under various regulations that still allow ownership.

The "take my guns" panic is an NRA style bit of partisan political screed.

 

Where?

 

Take ALL the guns.

 

I assume that you're still talking about the lethality of the AR-15 and the possible benefits of banning it.

Have you considered the likelihood that determined mass killers will simply resort to crude WMDs that usually kill more people than "assault weapons"?

That's precisely what a determined killer did when he couldn't find a gun to kill his ex-girlfriend. All it took for this determined kill to kill 87 people was one dollar's worth of gasoline and some common plastic.(1)

I believe that you were discussing school shootings. Here, too, a determined killer succeeded in killing 44 people with a crude home made bomb(2).

In both instances, more people were killed by crude WMDs than by any type of firearm.

Some other crude WMDs that mass killers could turn to if and when guns become harder to find are Anthrax and similar Bio - Chemical weapons, Molotov cocktails, home made bombs, etc.

A final reason not to ban semi automatic rifles is the fact that it would just create another violent Black Market for criminals to fight over causing even more bloodshed.

If we've learned nothing else from Prohibition and our failed War on Drugs, I hope that we have learned that human behavior cannot be controlled by manipulating inanimate objects.

Thanks,



(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


(2). "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"

"Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED