What is racism?

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  1. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    Many people only see racism as a negative, but you might wish to consider cases in which the same can be considered neutral or even positive. We all understand what the negative meaning is all about but here are a couple of examples of racism that are not negative.

    X is a Asian guy who is interested in finding a mate, settling down, and eventually having a family. X has always been attracted to Asian women and believes that having two people of a similar cultural background is the best path for himself and his future children. X is therefore making a preferential choice based on race.

    Affirmative Action was a program put into place by many colleges and universities, corporations, and in government in an attempt to make up for past injustices. Many people supported such an approach and others did not but now it is a mute point since the SC ruled that AA is unconstitutional. AA was a race preference program.

    Y is a brilliant African American neurosurgeon and truly wants to make a difference in the world. After years and years and years in school and training, she decided that instead of taking the cushy position at the best hospital in the area [that has been heavily recruiting her], she is going to serve the lower economic strata by working in the area's General Hospital. Here she will be caring for mostly AA and Hispanic patients.

    So racism as it is popularly used is always a very negative thing, but people can be racist and it not be negative. In the ideal world, it would be nice if nobody ever paid attention to race [and perhaps one day this will come to pass], but I believe people need to be realistic and understand that everybody has all kinds of preferences that are not the product of malevolence.
     
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    Racism is the belief that it’s perfectly okay to talk **** about groups of people who don’t look like you, speak the same language or come from the same place as you for no reason, and then complain and cry when people call that same person out for said beliefs.
     
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    Racism is a logical fallacy, specifically a compositional error in which the 'class' is people and the 'property' being improperly extended across that class is a genetic trait.

    Examples of racism: --- Blue-eyed people are smarter than brown-eyed people. Black people aren't smart enough to get into college on their own merit (affirmative action is required). "Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids". etc, etc...
     
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    Currently, Anything Leftists claim it is. So essentially racism means nothing ATM.
     
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    Not in the least.
     
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    Exactly this.

    It is a category error. Presuming that race means something it does not about an individual.

    And no, having a dating preference for a particular look isn't racist. That's just a preference.
     
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    I believe racism to be a mental disorder affecting those lacking self esteem. Confident, happy people don't feel the need to lessen others.
     
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    Racism has taken a new meaning. That of other ethnicities, not just "race." For instance, if someone who is white doesn't like the French, they are considered "racist. In the early days of our country, no ethnic groups liked other ethnic groups. The Irish disliked the Germans and vice versa. So what? My grandmother didn't like any foreigners at all. She was a "racist". So what? She only hurt herself, as she didn't have friends that she might have had. If you put your hands on someone or commit violence, that's a crime and punishable by law. As it should be. We won't change people's minds or thoughts, so why try? It's it's own punishment.
     
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    AA does not mean you think black people are inferior.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    So what you are saying is the term racism always implies a negative connotation. This might be the popular meaning, but the English language has been altered to the point of being non-decipherable.

    Also you are saying is if you have a preference for one race over another, that's preference, not racism. That's ridiculous. It's the same thing but now sanitized. If you are a people hater, there are a million reasons to hate besides race.

    The point of this was to demonstrate that EVERYBODY has all kinds of natural preferences. Look at how people organize themselves. It speaks volumes. Although I am in a mixed race marriage myself, the vast majority of people still prefer to be among those they are most familiar with...and why not?

    People need to step out of this Utopian mindset where everybody should have a uniform mindset. People are uniquely diverse. It is only the indoctrinated that walk lockstep to the cadence of the top-down mumbo-jumbo-isms .
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    Because the intellectual elite believe that allowing people to grow and learn at their own pace is not the way...instead, you must convince the masses that what the smartest people in the society have determined to be acceptable is to be force-fed through all kinds of wonderful tactics perfected in the 20th century. IOW, they need to dispense with this freedom thing that is only an impediment to ushering in the new Utopian order.
     
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    Racism is when a white person eats 3 meals a day
     
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    Yes it does. It means you believe that they can't get into college on their own merit. It means that you are purposely choosing them, instead of a higher qualified student of another skin color, because they have black skin. You are giving them preferential treatment because of their skin color.
     
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    Nope, your choosing between two equally qualified students.
     
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    It doesn't always mean you see the race as bad in some way. It could be the opposite. It is a categorical error, seeing everyone who is that race the same way and presuming that somebody who is race X must therefore be Y.

    That could "black people are good at sports" or "Asian guys are good at math". Or it could be "black people are violent " or "Asian women can't drive" or "white people are racist ". These are all racist statements.

    It's also racist to say somebody is your own race so you must think more like them and have more in common with them than some other person of another race. And it is racist to say that diversity of race means diversity of thought. Kamala Harris has far more in common with Joe Biden than she does with lower class brown skinned conservative women.

    If you are attracted to people with dark skin, that is an attraction to dark skin. If you like narrow eyes that is an attraction to narrow eyes. Neither is racist. You are not presuming anything about the person other than that you find the physical trait attractive.
     
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    So what you are saying is there is absolutely no difference between anybody anywhere, that is, it is all social conditioning?

    If you are attracted to another person, you are assuming all kinds of things.

    It seems to me you are using "preference" as the acceptable form of racism.
     
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    No, that's not what I am saying. How do you get that from what I wrote? What I am saying is that race doesn't tell you anything about in individual other than some physical traits. It doesn't tell you how smart they are, how skilled they are at anything, whate their preferences are, what their politics or religion are, anything about their personality, or even what their culture is. Thinking it does is the category error we call racism.

    If I am physically attracted to them, I am not assuming anything. I see the physical form and I like it. What would be prejudiced would be if I presumed something about their personality or their preferences etc because of their skin tone or eye shape, etc. That they have dark skin is a fact. That they have narrow eyes is a fact. If I like either of those things, that's just a preference.
     
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    Who is "we?"

    You are speaking like people do when they refer to the "Free Market," as if something pure like this can exist. It is also what some people say about gender, that being a boy or girl is a social construct.

    Do you believe if you took 99th generation Eskimo and a 99th generation Australian Aborigine and switched them at birth that each would not have gained any innate characteristics because of the effect of living in their respective environments and it would be as if they were of each other's ancestry? IOW, do you believe that every human being is a blank slate to be filled in by their experiences only?

    Again, if you are attracted to them you are assuming all kinds of things...otherwise, why would you be attracted to them?
     
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    There may be some slight differences, but not much, as we can see when we look at people who are adopted and raised by people of other races in other cultures. Its also a fact that there is far more genetic variation within races than between them. Some are genetically more intelligent, etc, but there is zero evidence that this is dicated by race. But hey, if you want to be racist, you do you.

    Because their physical traits make you horny. Its not complicated.
     
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    So racism now includes the language a person speaks? A while back I created a thread with all the hundreds of things the left says are racist. If I dig up that thread then you seem like the perfect person who can fill it with a few hundred more examples. Did you know steaks are racist?
     
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    Nope. You're purposely accepting a less qualified student because of his skin tone.

    That's racism, dude.
     
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    Most of those "X ridiculous thing is racist" rants are coming from racists, ironically.
     
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    Who is this "we" you keep referring to? You speak like a professional something or other spouting out currently accepted dogma.

    If you look at nature, you will find that the same species in different regions adapt quite differently. I am not sure why this would not apply in our own case.

    Attraction is considerably more complicated than that, but thank you just the same for your physiological insight.
     
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    Racism is when something bad happens and a white person exists.
     
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