Is America a Christian Nation? Should America Be a Christian Nation?

What mental gymnastics?

You sure sound hostile. Are you real sure you don't have faith that there is no God? You admit faith that there are no trolls under a bridge.

And I provided evidence that there is order to the universe. No Big Bang from a singularity with everything going everywhere in chaos. The Universe itself is intelligent , and it doles out consequences in an intelligent manner according to people's actions on both the individual and collective basis. This indicates Intelligent Design. To many coincidences all at once for it to be an accident IMO.

 

13 years is not "way before" and the Roanoke Colony hardly had anything to do with the founding of America.

 

Murder has been illegal at least since 2100 BC which predates the Old Testament by 1400 years and First Amendment by 3800+ years. If that is your standard, we should be a Muslim nation as the intellectual heirs of Mesopotamia.

 

But it says in the Ten Comandments, "You will not kill".

 

Ask Dr. Fransis collins and around 40% of all scientists about that. And recognize that in limiting yourself to only that which can be explained by the scientific method you're missing most of the truth about our universe and our place in it.

10 Top Christians in Science on Science and Faith
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I've notice the almost universal anger and hostility coming from the non-believers? Why is that, why the anger?

 

White evangelical protestants are significantly more negative about abortion. But, that is the only category that doesn't believe abortion should be legal all or most of the time, including the US as a whole:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...rtion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

 

Those simply are not good arguments. The one about not being able to prove history is especially poorly made. We have a tremendous amount of information about the history of Earth and its life from various sources depending on the time. The study of history uses these multiple sources to help focus our understanding. It is fully based on evidence, NOT faith.

Then there is the one about how the universe expanded from something small which we as humans have only limited information about. That is NOT an argument for a god. It is an argument for humans not knowing everything that could possibly be known. Assigning all our unanswered questions to the answer "god did it" is NOT logic. And, its not religious faith, either. It's just silly.

>>Besides, the Bible says that god must be accepted on faith alone. Religious belief is NOT a matter of searching out questions that humans haven't as yet answered.

We know from history that the "god did it" answer has been wrong over and over and over again. "God did it" is applied without knowledge. And, because it is applied without knowledge and because knowledge increases over time, "god did it" ends up being repeatedly shown to be FALSE. The church wanted to execute Galileo for apostasy, because he saw a planet and its moons.

The path of SOME Christians has not changed. If they don't know an easy answer, then it is considered proof god did it.

But, I don't believe that is a representation of the behavior of most Christians.

 

Many of us have directed suffered from actions of the believers. As I said in a previous post I was punched in the face when I first refused to go to church at the age of 16. Perhaps a small thing to you. But that incident set the tone for me. And as I mentioned in one post I believe the so called believers have set science back for perhaps 1000 years. That may seem like a far out claim but the Romans prior to the dark ages were doing brain surgeries. The Christian religion certainly had a role in creating the dark ages.

 

My position is that if you want to believe in some god, I would not oppose that. I'm not here to try to change people's religions.

BUT, religion can't be used as a justification for law.

 

In the sense that nobody has to do anything, I agree.

However, I pointed to a huge hole in your direction.

If you have no answer, that's a major problem for you.

 

You are just pissed because in your town you can't go through the drive through liquor store and grab a six pack after bar close.

I got to admit it's a nuisance.

 

I'm surprised it's not the Catholics who are against it.

 

Not true. But as I posted I cannot go to the grocery store and buy a six pack at 11:00 AM on Sunday. And that is a small thing perhaps, but a case where your religion has been imposed on me taking away my freedom.

 

Not my religion.

The bible says don't get wasted because you will probably screw up, it says nothing about liquor store hours.

 

Chose whom you believe.

 

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences.

 

Nope, not a problem for me at all. Maybe it's a problem for you.

 

I was raised Catholic. I eventually renounced the church officially but I can probably recall a hundred examples from my own childhood that were not very pleasant.
1). At the age of 11 or 12 the priest told me that my mother would be going to hell (no if's and's or but's) because she was divorced and had remarried.
2). I (we) were taught that eating meat on Friday was a mortal sin - the kind of sin that sent you to hell ..... but sometime years later it was demoted to a venial sin - the kind that could be burned off in Purgatory. I must have been out of town when God came down from heaven to change the rule, huh?

Most religions are scams.

 

I got a theory about that-

If your pastor is wearing a wizard suit you probably should find another church!

 

I am, too.

I think abortion law is still pretty much tied to religion, with evangelicals and others using law to force women to abide by religious views that the pregnant woman doesn't share.

I think one supporting fact is that we see abortion law matching the dominant religious views of various regions in the US.

US north east states are the highest percent Catholic (and don't have draconian abortion laws) while southern states that DO have draconian abortion laws have the highest percent evangelical protestants.

States with the lowest percent of organized religion or religious intolerance are the west coast, Alaska, Hawaii, Colorado, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire. And, those states have reasonably expectable abortion laws.


What I see with these draconian abortion laws is that they are hell on women's healthcare and based on religious intolerance.

This screams out for recognition of personal bodily autonomy. Women's healthcare should NOT be subject to local religious beliefs.

 

The abortion issue is tied to science and the value of individual rights.

The science proves that a fetus is a unique individual that is distinguishable from both the mother and the father by its DNA.

So you can believe in killing your kid.

But you cannot beleive in killing your kid and still believe in equal individual rights.

Btw, equal individual rights is the cornerstone of American values. Says so in our DOI.

 

The priest wore the standard garb of the Catholic Church which in many ways resembles a wizard suit.

I left the church (officially even) in 1979 hence I belong to no church at all.

 

Thank you. You have given the subject some serious thought.

 

No, abortion is VERY clearly tied to religion.

Our constitution addresses citizens and people.

The laws being created are very clearly damaging women's healthcare and are violating personal bodily autonomy.