Cowardly Trump refuses to appear at the Republican debate

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is how Trump won the Primaries in 2016, too many Republican Candidates and the vote got split among them, looks like same will happen for 2024
     
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    dems could register republican\independent like Romney did

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/02/romney_explains/

    "That year, Romney, then a registered independent, voted for former Sen. Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic presidential primary. He told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, in an interview that will air Sunday on "This Week," that his vote was meant as a tactical maneuver aimed at finding the weakest opponent for incumbent President George H.W. Bush."
     
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    You must not have been to Pennsylvania since Trump's rise. This is Trump country. We have special folks who ride around in their pickup trucks adorned with Trump flags. They organize Trump rallies that don't even feature Trump, or any politicians. Being a Trump supporter is a social identity here. I haven't seen a single sign for any Republican running for president that isn't Trump. My neighbors and fellow Pennsylvanians will vote for Trump even if he's just a corpse that someone has rigged into a puppet because he's more than just a politician to them. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it goes beyond politics.

    It will be close here, and could go either way just like last time.
     
  4. JohnHamilton

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    It doesn’t matter. The Democrat vote in Pittsburgh and especially Philadelphia will swamp the vote in the rest of state. With registration connected with driver’s licenses, with no effort (You don’t even need to check a box so fraud for illegal registration is not a problem.), illegals will be adding to the Democrat totals.

    Then there’s plain out ballot box stuffing. Of all the places were it was claimed in 2020, my bet is on Philadelphia. It didn’t change the result overall, because Pennsylvania would not have flipped the result, but I’m sure it happened.
     
  5. JohnHamilton

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    A bunch of progressives, who complained when I characterized the Biden Justice Department as “fascist,” l’ll repeat it. I don’t like Trump, but what they are doing is wrong. You don’t declare conservative Catholics “terrorists.” You don’t label concerned parents “terrorists.” You don’t politicize the Justice Department and FBI.

    Yes, Merrick Garland is acting like a fascist.
     
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    I would vote for someone who did that was not Trump or Biden. Literally anyone is better for the country than those two. Even Bernie Sanders or Marianne Williamson.
    Of course, the system is designed to crush third party candidates, unfortunately.
     
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    This points out why Democrats should only vote in Democrat primaries and Republicans should only vote in Republican primaries.

    The ironic part is that Paul Tsongas was a very talented Democratic Senator who had the qualifications to be president. He was one of the few Democrats who would have gotten my vote for president if he had won the nomination. Unfortunately he had recurring cancer which ultimately took his life.
     
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    you can vote in either, but only one or the other, if you do not care which dem wins, can vote in the republican primaries for the best candidate, I would vote for Nikki Haley - then I could sit back and not care which side won in 2024

    a vote for the weakest candidate in either party is a wasted vote, has to be a strong candidate with a chance to win
     
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  9. JohnHamilton

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    No you can’t jump from party to another in many states. If you are a registered Democrat, you can vote in their primary. If you are a registered Republican, you vote there. Independents can’t vote in the primaries in many states. I lived in one state where as an Independent, you walk in, change your registration to Democrat or Republican, vote, and change it back to Independent before you left.
     
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    correct, you can only vote in the one you're registered as, you can register however you want
     
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    Trump’s positions are well known. In a debate where Trump participated, there would not be defining discussions of policy, but it would be a contest of who can take the best shots at the Orange target something theMSM already does. we would learn little of distinguishing policy positions of the other candidates. I don’t think Trump is cowardly; his detractors like to pile on anything to enhance the viliaization of him, but he’s her he’s never been afraid to take his take on policy decisions. Given were he is in poling, he’s nothing to gain in a GOP debate, so why be baited participate by those who prefer that he does for the sake of being a target and turning the debate into a GOP I in fighting contest.
    Trump is good at strategy and manipulating the MSM.
    can anyone see Biden debating in any venue?


    Is that what the Republic is all about? Is it a matter of using the legal system to hamstring your political opposition?

    Please discuss.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Regardless of his true motives, he is doing them a favor. He got the nomination locked up unless the DoJ terminates him.
    They are this years admin posts, and (some) of the future Republican candidates. This serves to strengthen the base and expand the bench. In addition, even if they score points, who bleeds? The entire party, that's who! Because the media will be harping on Trumps flaws 24-7, certainly not his accomplishments.
    The democrats system crushes up and comers, and leaves the party with regional midgets with hardly any name recognition beyond their states, unless they make a name by fighting their own party.
    Be thankful. BTW, the democrats are bitching the loudest! Lol
     
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    We get who the Zuckerburgs, dark money and the ballot harvesters decide we should get.
     
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    Biden crushed him during the 2020 campaign. You're looking forward to watching Trump get spanked again?
     
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    Biden will be trying to defend his dismal record on the border invasion which has reached deep into Democratic strongholds, a war in Ukraine that 60% of Americans now do not support and this number will grow as they see very little progress being made after the billions of dollars Biden spent, and the growing evidence of corruption by Biden and family which Biden will be forced to explain, and the terrible economy Biden will be forced to explain. Biden will need to defend his failed policies using a brain that is also failing him.
     
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    You're "sure" it happened.

    How about something called "evidence"? Ya got any of that?
     
  17. JohnHamilton

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    As an ex-poll watcher, the way the system worked per-Coved was that poll watchers were allowed to be close enough to the process to spot problems. Because of Covid, the poll watchers were pushed far away from the balloting area where it was almost impossible to see what was going on.

    The kicker was the night when the area was completely locked down and no one really knew who was able to get in and out of the area where the ballots were stored.

    You scream at me all you want. I don't think the vote in Philadelphia as on the up and up. That's the way I view it. You can't change people's perceptions when those who demand change have no evidence to back out their claims. If you want to people perceive that elections are conducted fairly now, that's your (the Democrat Party's) responsibility. When you party demands that people should be able to vote without IDs, that's a problem. When your party opposes signature validation on the mail in ballots, that's a problem.

    You can engineer wins in all of the elections, but you can't get us to like you or think that you are honest until you prove it.
     
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    Oh no! Biden will have to explain the booming economy and incredibly low unemployment rate! He’ll have to explain unnamed policies that righties say are “failures” without offering any explanation! In sharp contrast, the Orange Wetfart was so successful, competent and crime-free that he lost as an incumbent!
     
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    John - I agree with you, more often than not, but not on this one

    Trump's net vote margin of loss in Philly was better in 2020 than 2016

    His net margin changed by 120K+ in the rest of the state vs 2016

    Philly was not why he lost
     
  20. JohnHamilton

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    Sorry, but my perception is the Democrats steal just enough votes to win. They win all of the close elections, and they usually flip those elections days after Election Day. They "find" enough ballots to make the difference.

    Some have said that the election system is in trouble if people perceive that it is not fair. I have reached that point. One party does not will all of the close elections.

    There are now calls for the news media to get completely in the tank with the Democrats. The claim is they need "one party" to save democracy. If you can make sense out that statement, you are better than I am.

    The excuse for that is that Trump poses a major threat and needs to be put down. Okay, let's say we put Trump down. Will we be allowed to have two parties then or should there only be one?
     
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    That’s all it is—- “perception”. It’s funny that you don’t identify any specific way that “the democrats stole votes” but are so certain that they did. In this day and age, what are you basing your perception on?
     
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    People still believe that ****?
     
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    Yep, we believe it. The Democrats have got voter fraud and ballot harvesting down to a science.
     
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    The purpose of a debate is to get a politician exposure and to allow the public to see where they stand on issues.

    The problem Trump has is that there's effectively no debate moderator that wouldn't be hard on him and everyone on the stage would be calling him out.

    The debates are probably a lose-lose situation for him and he has a strong platform to get his messaging out elsewhere.

    I personally think there is a ton of value having candidates challenge each other and the back and forth is important to educating a populace on how to vote. I think it's wrong for Trump to not debate. It's rendered the Republican debates kind of pointless to watch with Trump's commanding lead and Trump being unable to defend himself from the expected allegations.

    I understand Trump's primary goal is to get elected and to not uphold the traditions, but it frustrates me. I'm not voting for him (and likely any Republican) regardless, but the populace is cheated out of debate knowledge with the frontrunner electing not to partake.
     
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    To be fair to Crooked Donnie, why in the heck would he debate in the Trump Party Primary??? There is only downside since he's the guaranteed winner.
     
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