Let’s define drag

Men dressed in womens' clothing.

If you don't know that then I can't help you.

Those are all men dressed in men's attire.

 

But they are wearing “skirts”. What is the real difference between what the Greek army guy is wearing and a white Tutu? (Mind you there is no way I would make fun of that guy in person - if you were wearing THAT outfit carrying a fifoe - y that is the definition of pissed off!).

Would this be illegal?


I mean - walking down a street would you pick any of these people as men?

 

Cute. The following is a prime example of a man in drag:

 

US judge throws out Texas ban on drag acts, calls it unconstitutional
Jonathan Allen
Tue, September 26, 2023

Reuters) - A federal judge in Texas ruled on Tuesday that the state's new law limiting public drag performances was an unconstitutional restriction on speech and he permanently forbid enforcement of it.

"Not all people will like or condone certain performances," U.S. District Judge David Hittner wrote. "This is no different than a person's opinion on certain comedy or genres of music, but that alone does not strip First Amendment protection."

More than a dozen states have sought to restrict drag shows over last year, with Texas one of at least four to pass restrictions into law, part of broader Republican efforts to regulate the behavior of LGBT people.


Hittner ruled that the Texas law was discriminatory and improperly vague. He said drag performances were not inherently obscene, and were the sort of expressive speech protected by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment.'




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https://news.yahoo.com/us-judge-throws-texas-ban-203314504.html

 

Sanity survives! This deserves its own thread

 

It has always been my understanding that the term Drag came from the Shakespeare days when only men were allowed to act in the theater. Since female characters were in the plays, there was a notation of DRAG next to that character name which as an abbreviation of (DRessed As Girl).

In that sense, I see the term drag as only referring to men dressed as women as opposed to the opposite. There is some debate as to the Shakespearean origin of the term, but it does make a lot of sense.

In regards to pointing out what you see as contradictions such as kilts or whatever it is that you are saying about the Maori etc., I would say that what is "normal" attire for genders varies by culture. Normal attire for genders is whatever a particular culture says that it is. The entire point of a trans person dressing as their desired gender is to dress as their desired gender. In other words, the point for trans people is NOT to seek out bifurcated below the waist, rather it is to dress culturally as their desired gender. Similarly, a non trans person dressing up in drag for a Halloween costume is also seeking to dress as a woman in their culture.

I know that sounds painfully obvious and redundant, but the question of "what is considered normal attire" is in itself painfully obvious. I am not sure what benefit exists from trying to make this more complicated than necessary. Everyone knows what is traditional female dress in every culture. Just because some forms of dress are not gender specific does not complicate what forms of dress that ARE gender specific. It seems to me that you are trying to stir up confusion where it really does not exist.

 

If you worked the night shift and then move to the day shift, are you a Trans-AM?

 

I get the concern about not wanting people to do sex things in front of kids, but that is no excuse to ban people from dressing as exaggerated versions of the opposite gender and not doing anything sexual.

I actually would have thought a ban on drag shows would come from the woke left, claiming it mocks women, similar to black face.

 

Dont just read the cherry picked headline. This is more nuanced than that headline would have you believe.

"The struck-down law prohibited any performers from dancing suggestively or wearing certain prosthetics in front of children."
Texas’ ban on certain drag shows is unconstitutional, federal judge says (msn.com)

 

Ah so this is like when they claimed that Trump hated all mexicans or did a muslim ban, both of which were not what he actually said?

What prosthetics? Are we talking dildos or something in a shirt to subtly suggests boobs? I would object to the former, but not the latter.

And, are you saying the law and folks against "drag shows for kids" aren't trying to shut down PG drag shows? Trans folks reading to kids, etc, is ok so long as there is no sex content?

I attended a family friendly ladyboy show in Bangkok a few years back and it was very entertaining and hilarious. I would not feel at all confomfortable taking kids to it, and many were in attendance.

 

LOL....just like the Trump mischaracterizations.

To me, it looks a lot like a run-of-the-mill obscenity law regarding children. The outrage here is misplaced, and while I do not know the specifics of the court case, my guess would be this will very likely be overturned by a higher court, or perhaps it will need some clarifying language added etc. States are constitutionally allowed to enact obscenity laws.

 

Making fun of other cultures makes you guilty of what you accuse others of. Thats not nice.

Drag is the emulation of the female image and persona by a male. These images differ across the globe. Here in the US, a dress, eyelashes, and lipstick is the accepted image of femininity.

 

Did that ruling include going into classrooms and tainting the minds of young and very impressionable minds? I guess that's freedom of expression at the expense of children.

 

So you don't know what a drag queen is?

 

Yeah they'll tell you themselves that the clowns

 

Parents have the option to voice their opinions to school boards and local govt reps.
They also can opt their kids out of any shows that are scheduled at their schools.

 

And how well is that received when it falls on deaf ears, by school boards who advocate the insanity?

These are just some of many examples;



The thing is, it doesn't need to go to these lengths. If moral and ethical decisions and actions were exercised, there'd be no circus for parents to attend at these school board meetings and or subject children to it in the classroom.
How old does a person have to be for consensual sex? How old do they need to be to learn to drive, vote and drink legally? Yet the above is condoned by more than enough schools where the children are as young as 5 being exposed to this nonsense.

 

If it has a lump in its throat (Adam's apple), then it's got one in its pants (meat and two veg). The bottom picture is Shims –– she-him (blokes with tits).

Transsexual vs Shim - What's the difference?

 

Actually the lower picture are Kathoey. Thailand’s “Third Gender”

 

it depends on the society and the times.

 

Are we wearing the same clothes as say, the 17th Century? The clothing you wear in America may not be acceptable here in Australia and vice versa. Heck! Our clothing requirements change depending on where we are and what we are doing.
EG voting in Australia

 

Exactly! We have nudist camps here where you are not allowed to be clothed at anytime - which might make barbecuing hot sausages interesting

 

I would be more concerned about the “Karen” behaviour setting an example for children

 

A drag show is NOT a burlesque

 

well for example, studly young men 600 years ago wore what resembled mini-skirts and tights-something cute college girls favor today. A guy walking around in a greek toga from the 200 BC era would draw lots of funny looks if he was on Times Square-but of course not in Athens before Christ.