If such a large majority agrees with gun control, what's stopping us?

How are you going to protect yourself from Trump's white supremacist death squads, if you aren't armed?

 

The only way its really going to stop isnto

You are correct, and this applies to them as well. I think it's important to have in a discussion this important. And not just here on our forum, but same to our politicians making these decisions.

 

Yep, it would have NOTHING to do about preventing another Lewiston style massacre.

 

By making sure Trump doesn't get elected.

 

Not to mention why they included that right amongst the other inherent and inviolable individual rights - free speech, due process, etc. - that We the People reserved for ourselves.

 

From Jefferson’s book:

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.

 

Meanwhile in Los Angeles....white mobs run people off the road to rob them



(white mobs with black face)

 

Backed by the 2A.

 

What if you can't keep him from getting elected? Then what?

 

The problem is he doesn't really think at all.

 

Republicans oppose that.

 

Yep. But he’s an expert on the subject. He once told us militia in the young US were allowed to take government weapons home with them not realizing it was quite the opposite. Facts don’t matter.

 

I get your point. I really hope we could do that. I know everybody blames the other guy. There are posters here with which one can have honest discussions. And we do. But there are too many who are just here to troll. They had every opportunity to show they were serious. But after a few tries, their intentions become clear. It's to change the subject and derail the discussion. You can read in every one of the threads I open an attempt to pre-empt the usual tactics used to derail the thread. But you won't need to read more than 2 or 3 responses to notice when the trolling starts.

 

The only thing worse than an authoritarian is an authoritarian that has no knowledge of the thing they wish to control.

 

Book? WTF? You were talking about the 2nd Amendment!

If your post had ANYTHING to do with the 2nd A, I would have responded in the thread where we discussed that. But it has NOTHING to do. Either with that or with this thread.

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying: people who make up fabricated "motives" for which the 2nd A was enacted, are completely incapable of providing even the smallest shred of evidence. The 2nd A had ONE purpose, and one only: To ensure the preparedness of militias, given that they were our only means of defense against any of the enemies of the state, at a time when a standing army was not capable of performing that task. Period! Everything else is made up nonsense! And this poster proves it yet again...

 

Do we?

One of the biggest problems with out government, most particularly the federal bureaucracy, is that it's out of control.

 

I actually don’t believe he’s authoritarian. I view him as uninformed and misguided.

 

I see anyone that wants to control the behavior/ability to do business/ability to protect themselves of hundreds of millions of people based on basically feelings as authoritarian.

 

What a crock of made-up bullsh*t.

The motive of the 2A was to reaffirm the right to bear arms that already been affirmed in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

As TheImmortal pointed out, the Founders and Framers supported the individual's right to bear arms, whether it be for hunting, personal defense or the preservation of our liberties against oppressive governments and their standing armies, such as the one that Oliver Cromwell used to impose his rule and Puritan policies on the English people after their civil war.

Do your damned research for a change. We shouldn't have to do it for you.

 

I suppose you’re right. I guess I should also feel those against allowing women to have a choice in regards to abortion are also authoritarian. You’ve actually change my mind on something. Thank you.

 

Put me down for All of the Above.

 

Lol so where do you get references to what the founders believe if not from the founders themselves? Because your assertion of the second amendment being solely for the preparedness of the militia is not in the constitution.

And btw you created a thread on castrating the second amendment. That necessitates a discussion on why we have it in the first place because clearly you don’t know.

 

If such a large majority agrees with gun control, what's stopping us?

The silent majority of course

 

If you really want to know what the founders thought I’ve heard watching their Tik Toks is the way to go. Books/writings are so outdated….

 

I’m no fan of abortion. Or drugs. Or smoking. Or a bunch of other stuff. If someone wants to stick their member in a beehive and pound on the top of the beehive with their fists, well, I don’t think it’s smart or healthy, but it’s their right to do it.