Donald Trump rails against judge, AG as he takes witness stand in NYC fraud trial

I understand you support this. The sudden interest in holding politicians accountable is refreshing.

 

Is there a jury? I already assume everything that comes out of trumps mouth is a lie. In this case, there is no victim and there should be no crime. While I have a low opinion of trump and would prefer not having him as our president, I still see this as a politically motivated abuse of power and will feel the same way when a Dem is getting the trump-treatment. Its not good for the country. It appears to be good for trump!

 

So you think Trump is being politically persecuted ? All due respect, but I dont think that is the case, for the following reasons:

1. Trump has a very long history of shady business dealings. Hell he himself brags about them all the time. Trump has bloviated about his dealings his entire career, and how he makes such “great deals” and then when you hear form the other side they always say the same thing, which is that Donald doesnt pay his bills.

2. Trump told us all when he was running for president in 2016 that he could “shoot someone on 5th ave and they would never prosecute him”. Now does that sound like a guy who thinks he would be held legally accountable for anything ?

3. He and his family have been adjudicated for stealing from their charity for their own personal gain. They cant have a charity in New York anymore.

4. The media started calling him out on his daily lies within days of him taking office. These lies were so blatant that it took minutes to debunk them in the press.

Now, to claim that charging him with this is political, is disingenuous in my opinion. When a person with a very long, and very storied history of lying gets called out lying, and then to the point where their are legal ramifications of that lie, then they should be held accountable.

 

Hardly a sudden interest.
Clinton should have been removed from office over Lewinsky
Menedez and Santos should both resign.

Your sudden indifference to holding a politician accountable is disturbing.

 

To be fair Trump did not say they would not prosecute him. He said that he wouldn't loose a vote.

 

Victims are the banks who were cheated out of interest.
Victims are everyone else who plays by the rules and deals with the fallout of doing so.

 

I would have thought that you might have an interest in holding criminals accountable…?

 

People often make a long list of reasons they do not like trump as if they are trying to get me to join them in their dislike. Save your efforts because I already don't like him. I would prefer not having him as our president and wish Democrats would stop helping him. This is helping him and setting a precedent that will have negative results for the country for generations.

 

I understood the terms of the loans were honored. I have never heard banks referred to as victims. They were predatory lenders not long ago.

 

Terms that Trump received by lying to the banks.

If I applied for a mortgage and lied about my income and doctored paperwork and got others to lie for me to back up my claims, did I commit fraud even if I lived up to the terms of the mortgage?

 

I am not a big fan of incarcerating more of our population than any other country. If there is no victim, there should be no crime.

 

You and I don't know what he thought it was worth. I not sure how you would get the bank to lie about your deposits. BTW, there are more laws on the books that you can read if you live to be 1000 years old. Like every other American, you commit fraud on a regular basis without knowing. If you should become politically inconvenient to someone in power, you would be consumed by the beast you are cheering for.

 

Well you’re in luck! The NY case is not criminal and won’t put anyone in prison

 

It doesn't matter what HE thought it was worth. That's why there are "Generally Accepted Accounting Procedures" (GAAP) when filling out things like your Statement of Financial Condition.

The Trump Org Statements of Financial Condition did not adhere to the GAAP.

Just ONE example is that on his SFC's Trump put a value on Mar-a-Lago that was 2300% greater than the tax assesment value. That's a ludicrous number. Furthermore he was able to justify that number by leaving out easements that were on the Mar-a-Lago deed. Easements that he was aware of since he claimed tax credits for them.

 

I didn't say the bank.

I create a very good facsimile of a bank document showing I have 10 million in accounts. I arrange for my close personal friend, a Senior VP at the bank to lie for me when the other bank calls to verify. Or I give the mortgage lender a fake phone number to call that is actually the home phone number of my brother in law and he just says he's the bank VP and lies.

The point is I commit fraud to get the loan, is it all of sudden NOT fraud because I pay off the loan?

 

I realize that this is just one of many turds thrown against the wall. Some will stick for sure.

 

You don't need to reach nearly that far. You are already committing fraud on a regular basis without knowing.

 

“Accountable” doesn’t always have to equal “incarceration”. In The Stain’s case, for example, accountability might mean he can’t hold office.

And ‘no victim, no foul’…? You would let bank robbers go free if they ran away before they grabbed the money…??

 

I realize that is the desired result. Voter suppression was bad not too long ago.

Bank robbers use force and fear. They need to be separated from society.

 

Should the mastermind that sent those robbers on their fruitless raid also be “separated from society”…?

 

It's not the same as raising the valuation on a piece of property by 2300% and doing it by omitting crucial information on a Statement of Financial Condition.

 

This is all about circumventing the will of the voter so that the robbers can continue stealing.

 

Well, that clearly can't be the plan. As you will note, the "voters" are even more wedded to the "mastermind" with each charge he faces...

 

So you also don’t like rich people being held accountable for fraud I guess? Since the prison thing is out…

 

Yea, but Democrat voters have good intentions and really thought the campaign promises would come true. Sure, their party is producing poverty and making trump look good, but they are not complicit in the robbery.