Should Americans surrender to permissive firearm laws and increased mass shootings?

Since politicians have kowtowed to the gun lobby for so long, is there any reason to hope that the will of the People can ever prevail?

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... Americans have wanted stricter gun control, and supported specific gun control measures, for decades, but the country has seen very little progress on the policy front, while the numbers of gun deaths and mass shootings continue to rise.

A solid majority of Americans have supported stricter gun control laws during most of the years that Gallup has been tracking the issue, since 1990... More than half have supported stricter gun control laws since 2015, and recent polls have shown public support hovering between 50 and 60 percent.

In September, a Verasight poll that found 58 percent favored stronger gun laws. And in late October, Gallup found that 56 percent of Americans supported stricter gun control laws, an amount virtually unchanged from a year before.

Most Americans have wanted stricter gun laws since 2015
Share of respondents who said laws covering gun sales should be more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now, since 1990; spikes in support coincide with high-profile school shootings.

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Specific gun control policies also remain popular
Drilling down, even more registered voters show support for specific measures. The Quinnipiac poll found that 52 percent supported a nationwide ban on assault-style rifles... compared with 44 percent who opposed it. An overwhelming majority, 92 percent, supported background checks on all gun buyers, 56 percent opposed the sale of high-capacity magazines, and 53 percent thought the United States would be less safe if more people carried guns. These numbers are consistent with other polls, and with Quinnipiac polling that on some questions goes back at least a decade; American voters have wanted stricter gun control laws for a long time.

About 70 percent of Americans also favor red flag laws that allow law enforcement to temporarily remove guns from people deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to an Associated Press/NORC poll from Aug. 10-14. There’s a lot of evidence that, particularly in the case of mass shootings, many shooters talk about their plans or raise alarms with family and friends, and interventions in those cases can be successful.

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Sorry it didn't work out your way. Apparently the constitution wins this one.

 

So where is that "well regulated militia".

 

Groups of people we really don’t want more guns in the hands of:

1) the disproportionately violent and gang/drug riddled black community

2) The disproportionately violent, anti-Semitic and religious extremist genocide-loving Hamas-supporting Muslim community

3) the riot-loving western civilization-hating and all-the-above-^^-supporting teacher-radicalized youth who disproportionately love to shoot up schools

So yeah. Get guns out of the hands of the Democratic Party and this country would be a much safer place, especially with guns in the hands of everyone else to defend themselves with.

But Oh weird, the OP just has a picture of almost all adult white people. Surprised you don’t have some Jews in there too, they’re forced to buy lots and lots of guns nowadays thanks to the worthless Democratic Party and all its whack job constituencies, surely you‘ll be consistent about completely missing the mark on who the problem is and have some nice pictures of Jews with guns to throw around

 

I don't think the militia is very well regulated.

 

Government will control guns about the same as the government now controls illicit drugs. You can buy illicit drugs in many high schools, on some street corners, or a fancy dinner party. The government can't, or won't, stop illicit drugs coming across our southern border from China. So why do some people think the government can keep guns out of the hands of criminals? But you can be sure the government can keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

 

You're entitled to your opinion but not your facts.

 

Should Americans surrender to the Constitution?
Yes.

They should also implement ways to reduce crime and provide more mental health support for idiots that think that they need to go out in a blaze of glory. They could start with better school security and quit treating violent criminals with kid gloves.

 

If the people wanted stricter gun control laws there wouldn't be 27 states that passed constitutional carry laws.

 

it's also a false dichotomy. It is based on the unproven claim that if we don't ban firearms, we will have more crime when in reality-gun control does nothing to decrease crime and often increases violence against honest people

 

are you still pretending that the phrase "well regulated militia" was designed to less the negative restriction on a federal government that was never given any gun control power in the first place?

 

Ask the government. It's their job to police crime. Id say they're doing a piss poor job of it. Wouldn't you?

 

Not sure who I should be more terrified of: terrorists that are likely coming in our porous border or my own government telling me to shut up, obey and get in the cattle cars.

 

To be accurate, I'm sure what you meant to say was the interpretation of the 2nd A by ultra conservative SC justices has lead to lenient gun laws that do not reflect the desires of the majority nor, arguably, the Founder's intent. You're welcome.

 

The Constitution prohibits laws restricting gun ownership and possession.

 

There is little correlation between gun laws and crime. But there is a huge deterrent to reduce crime -- and that is swift and harsh punishment. A criminal doesn't care about any law -- but he has a deep fear of swift and harsh punishment. Get rid of the prison libraries, gyms, TVs, computers, etc. Make all prisoners work at least 8 hours a day, just like the tax payers who are supporting them. And make all prisoners pay restitution to their victims. Excessive crime can destroy a country.

 

As Actual Justice Warrior says on youtube, poverty doesn't cause crime. Crime cause poverty. As we watch videos of social breakdown in cities where the left has decriminalized shoplifting, can you imagine thinking of starting up a business in that environment? And when you don't, there goes your chance at prosperity. You won't be hiring people either. And the locals lose out on a local store. Everyone is just going to get everything from online in these areas in the very near future.

I do have to wonder what would happen if the USSC found there is not only a right to bear arms, but a right to use them for the defense of yourself and others life, liberty and PROPERTY. I think this mass looting would end real quick. Then the weak would forget why we need the law to allow us to protect ourselves, enact gun control and it all starts all over again. Very frustrating.

 

The gun lobby is outspent by the anti-second amendment side. Gullible people are quick to consume what is fed to them. Most cannot describe what an "assault weapon" is.

Im not sure what the purpose of the pic is. I see people that know how to safely handle firearms. Obviously, they did not attend the Alec Baldwin school of gun safety.

Gun control is not from a position of concern for innocent life. Gun laws give killers easy victims.

 

the "ultra conservative supreme court" gave about as leftist an interpretation of the second that is rationally possible. a truly conservative interpretation would have been to say

1) the federal government has absolutely no authority in this area
2) the Control act of 1968 along with its amendments-the Hughes amendment and the Lautenberg amendment are unconstitutional
3) the 1934 NFA is completely unconstitutional
4) and through incorporation-any state law that interferes with lawful citizens to keep, bear or own firearms is unconstitutional

 

not only does the anti gun side get billions from control freak fascists like Soros, Bloomberg and other anti nationalist authoritarians, the MSM ENTERTAINMENT industry is virulently anti gun. Most police based shows on the big three-be it FBI or Law and order, slip not so subtle anti gun messages in their story lines

 

I'd be content with an increase in funding for law enforcement so they can enforce the laws we already have in a more consistent way. We don't need more laws if we can't even enforce what we have.

 

Gun laws reflect the desires of rapists and killers.

 

Meanwhile, real cops that see crime scenes on a regular basis are overwhelmingly in favor of armed citizens.

 

You're confusing resistance to crime with surrender to crime. Why would you do that? Fan of the Hamas model?

 

true, Janet Reno commissioned a poll of LE officers after passage of her master's Crime Bill (with gun ban) and the Brady bill. It was never made public because 9 out of 10 cops opposed the gun ban and 88 out of 100 or so thought the background checks was a waste of time