Where's my Baby Daddy?

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  1. FatBack

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    You know why I don't have children in my early forties?

    Because I already realized those things and determined that I probably shouldn't have any since I have my hands full with myself my whole life.

    But that is a foreign concept to some
     
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    Black mothers received more benefits if there was no father in the home.
     
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    They don't receive more money than mothers of any other race.
     
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    Blacks are the most damaged group receiving Welfare.
     
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    That doesn't give them more money from the welfare system than people from other races though.
     
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    Out of wedlock births is a problem that affects all of society and is growing across all racial groups, however the black community--because it in essence is a more closed and separate society--- is just showing us what happens when 70 to 85% of children are born to single women with baby daddies being the norm.

    I work with disadvantaged whites in a mostly white, poor area and "baby daddies" and sustaining housing, food, medical care and cash from welfare benefits through single women having babies is a problem and not uncommon.

    As yet---whites don't have the same wide spread problems and gangs as blacks in their neighborhoods only because they aren't at the same volume within the white race. But single motherhood is climbing with whites.

    And yes--welfare benefits are still and was always generous--and I was on welfare as a single mother in the 80's. As long as you weren't working and had a dependent---you had your housing, medical care, food and cash needs taken care of. The problems arose when you gained a job or took a raise. You could then lose something---like your medical card. Welfare is very addictive and creates weak families, weak vulnerable women and fatherless homes.

    Advocating "baby daddies' is not a good idea for women. Women and men should care enough about the child they may create by opting for commitment to their partner and the child. Its not just morality but commonsense. Shotgun weddings WERE in fact taking place because society at that time put the child's needs before the adults. Now children are just an avenue of income for some..

    We should have a safety net---but the way we manage welfare is not a safety net---its more of a trap.
     
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  7. Joe knows

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    You posted an opinion with zero facts to back it up. I could just as easily say it’s the rise in drug use or the rise of gay marriage. Try backing your opinion with facts
     
  8. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    While your first post was wrong, you may have something on the second.
    On Emancipation the black poverty rate was near 100%. What did the larger society do to help the newly freed? Segregation, systemic racism, prevented from gaining power or wealth. Generally a culture treated as second class and not worthy of respect and members of that culture were convinced that it was true. By 1940, 75 years after Emancipation, 87% of Blacks lived in poverty. That is what formed the culture, so it didn't start out healthy. In 1960 the poverty rate was near 50% and now its 17%. They're movin' on up, no thanks to the right.

    Now premarital sex is the standard. It is less transactional now then in the past where the culture was, if the woman had sex and got pregnant the man would marry her. Men now expect it if they are going to be in a relationship and its the women's resposibility not to get pregnant and if they do, some ********s feel that they can just walk away.

    Single mothers below the poverty line cannot get out and take an entry level job because entry level jobs do not pay enough to afford child care and healthcare (which improved with ACA).

    Perhaps you should check out the hyperlink provided.
     
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    should society make it more attractive or more difficult for people who want to produce children that they cannot afford to raise?
     
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    Should society make it easier to raise children out of poverty?
     
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    You really need to read more of Charles Dickens because you have an……. “Interesting” view of previous generations.
     
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    Baby daddies are not the standard. Baby daddies are normal for areas of poverty because baby daddies and irresponsable sex create poverty. Baby daddies occur from women who are comfortable with not having a committed father and husband and men who don't feel the responsibility to raise their children. In that scenario---men don't feel responsible and women are satisfied with the monthly checks from the government.

    When men are responsible, working and want to get ahead---their lives are ruined if they avoid responsibility. And they are greatly set back if they step up to responsibility. If a woman goes on welfare--the government will be after the dad til the day he dies, garnishing paychecks and putting leans on anything he owns. If the woman doesn't know the name of the father or "can't remember" then of course the baby daddies are set free.

    Casual, irresponsible sex doesn't have to be the standard and a society can change when behaviors are shamed. A society can get worse if destructive behaviors are justified as "normal"

    Putting children first--ones already born and those that may be born from sexual relations---ahead of selfish, adults looking for self-gratification --- can go a long way in improving lives for our future citizens.
     
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    If you can't afford to feed it then don't breed it...... The government and by extension the taxpayer.... Is not your baby daddy.
     
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    Perhaps your article still does not back that theory up. Shotgun weddings (as your article puts it) would suggest an equivalent rate among races. That’s obviously not the case.
     
  16. edna kawabata

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    Has society made living in poverty attractive? How would you make it more difficult?

    An "interesting" view....go on....

    Premarital sex is the standard we now live with, attempts to shame it or stop it will be laughed at, and of course singles cover the range between the very responsible to the irresponsible (which is not the norm). You seem to think people are happy living in poverty, maybe they just don't know how to get out of it. They may not have the skills, knowledge, opportunity or help they need and if the rest of us do not help nothing will change.

    I think you may be fine with not having premarital sex but try selling that to the general public. Do you think there is a way to stop people from having sex below a certain income level?
     
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    Why would you assume different cultures would share the same rate?
     
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    So now it’s a cultural problem?
     
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    They already give away free condoms pretty much every health department in the damn country.

    If you're on welfare and have two kids and you have a third kid you should be required to be sterilized to receive any benefits. Or don't be sterilized and raise them your damn self
     
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    That and probably income level. You will notice on the graph Native Americans are near Black unmarried birth rates and 25% of them live in poverty.
     
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    I totally agree. Did you know that the segregated colleges of the Jim Crow era had higher attendance rates and scores. The current HCBU’s also are proving this concept works. I’m not saying all of Jim Crow segregation was good by any means so please don’t be distracted by that name. However, the segregation in schools I believe was. Thomas Sowell explains it very well in “Black Rednecks And White Liberals”. But if you would like a shorter read there is this article.

    https://www.diverseeducation.com/ho...gacy-of-jim-crow-beneficial-to-black-students

    Education clearly plays a role in poverty. It also plays a role in cultural influence. You look at the once segregated school of Dunbar High School for example and you will see scores that were great during segregation. Once segregation was outlawed it destroyed their once great track record. Some of the greatest blacks in history came from that school.

    https://historicsites.dcpreservatio...h School educated generations,Drew, William H.

     
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    I don't think it's a race problem, I think modern day western women have just become too loose.

    Islam is on the rise so perhaps sharia law will be the answer? Idk
     
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  23. edna kawabata

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    The few quality Black schools during segregation could cherry pick the brightest, like the Dunbar prep school, so evidently segregated education did nothing to help the 87% that remained in poverty by 1940. The need for workers in the industrialized north after '40 brought many out of poverty not education.

    So you are in favor of a law against unmarried couples copulating.
     
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    I care about giving children the best start in life and good family values.
     
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    But they're the only race with only 20% homes with two parents. Pretty significant wouldn't you say? Something maybe you should care about?
     

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