A deluge of violent messages: How a surge in threats to public officials could disrupt American demo

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Trump literally did try to destroy democracy. No one in modern US history has made a greater effort to do so. This is objectively the case. And Trump and his supporters did far worse than just pressure electors to change their votes (which they also did). No, there was no significant campaign for electors to change their votes when Trump won. Whoever told you that is an idiot, a liar, or both. Both impeachment charges had merit (unlike the current investigation into Biden). And, no there is no double standard here . . . except from the Trump supporters. Do you require additional context?
     
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    Trump and Republicans think Democrats rigged 2020. Given their efforts to reverse 2016 and throw out Trump twice who can blame them for being suspicious.
     
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    Its so easy to tell those who have mind soaked all of their media as they conveniently have no recollection of anything other than orange man bad.

    In 2016,
    Democrats ran public media adds telling electors to change their votes.
    Democrats made up their Russia hoax to unseat a sitting president
    Democrats tried to have elector votes canceled in congress
    Democrats started impeachment claims the day of inauguration before he even took office
    Democrats fake impeachments were exposed in the Senate were they KNOWINGLY falsified information, text, and post to unseat a sitting president
    Democrats ran a fake accusation hearing to stop Kavanaugh from being confirmed with a 30 year old claim of rape that never happened

    So don't EVEN come in here with your greater than thou attitude.
    You ain't selling it here
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    A handful of non-politician celebrities =/= the Democrats. It is easy to tell when Trump supporters are faking it and ignoring objective facts to make false equivalences to support Orange Man God.

    They didn't even have an impeachment trial over that. But it is funny to hear you claim that impeachment is undemocratic and should be illegal. And, since you've forgotten, members of the Trump campaign had ADMITTED that they DID try to collude with Russia.

    No. They didn't. Whoever told you that was lying. TRUMP and his team, however, DID try to do that.

    As Republicans did with Biden. But there were only two impeachment inquiries, and they were well deserved. Plus, if Dems had been successful, then the OTHER winner of the election . . . Mike Pence (as in the guy Trump supporters wanted to lynch) would have become president.

    Kavanaugh is completely off-topic.

    Then you are completely unfamiliar with the actual facts of the matter. It isn't "greater than thou," it's "capable of basic critical thought and awareness." No Democrat OR Republican EVER engaged in the activities that Trump used to try to overthrow democracy. Period. It has NEVER happened before. You'd know this if you had done your homework. That's not on me.[/QUOTE]
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Their idiocy is not an excuse for their crimes. And there was no attempt to "reverse 2016." You know that. Please stop making up that bull ****. you are projecting. Clinton and her allies NEVER tried to reverse the results. Trump did. You pretend you care, but it is obvious you don't. You are in full on "rules for thee but not for me" mode.
     
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    From the get-go we heard Trump supporters say they like him because he "tells it like it is".

    And here we are 8 yrs later and they're still telling us what he really meant. :roflol:


    'fight like hell'
    'To use all of one's power or effort to fight against something'.


    'You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong,” Trump said. “We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
     
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    Thanks for making my point.
    You will argue with whats already historical information like it never happened and make excuses because thats what the media told you.

    The Russia hoax, was a Democrat Hoax to unseat a sitting president with a 3 year investigation trying to find something to charge Trump with.
    Yet it failed because it was made up by Democrats to stop Trump.
    Thats an attempt to overthrow an election with false claims

    Democrats and the Clinton camp were caught forging the Steel dossier filled with false
    allegation's to steel the election

    Democrats in Washington falsified documents to judges to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign to steel an election

    NBC NEWS
    Despite Objections, Congress Certifies Donald Trump's Election
    Democratic House members attempted to object to some states Electoral College votes to protest the election results. But their objections went nowhere because they were unable to gain the support of a senator, per the rules.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ess-certifies-donald-trump-s-election-n704026

    Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump
    At least a half-dozen Democratic electors have signed onto an attempt to block Donald Trump from winning an Electoral College majority, an effort designed not only to deny Trump the presidency but also to undermine the legitimacy of the institution.

    The presidential electors, mostly former Bernie Sanders supporters who hail from Washington state and Colorado, are now lobbying their Republican counterparts in other states to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to vote against Trump when the Electoral College meets on Dec. 19.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-electoral-college-faithless-trump-231731

    GOP electors targeted with $500K ad buy in final anti-Trump push
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-500k-ad-buy-final-anti-trump-push/95562336/

    So you can stop with all your excuses. Democrats made efforts to overturn the election the entire time Trump was president.
    So go ahead and act like it never happened but your hypocrisy is of your own making
     
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    Nope, here we are 8 years later and the left still falsifies what Trump said.
    When you find the sentence or paragraph that is inciting a riot, you post it for us.

    Until then, your Trump fictions don't wash
     
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    If you think this sentence is correct, then you didn't read/comprehend the post.

    I don't share your obsession with the media. I can go for weeks without thinking of them. And this doesn't address anything I said.

    Even if they had succeeded, it wouldn't have "overthrown the election." Anyone who has read the Constitution understand this. And, again, we know for a fact that he Trump campaign had attempted to collude with Russia. The investigation was well-warranted.

    How would that "steel" the election? Even if Trump had been impeached, that wouldn't have put Clinton in power. Please read the Constitution.

    Objections . . . which also happened with Trump . . . and which you WILDLY mischaracterize as somehow just "not counting" the votes . . . which no Dem ever proposed . . . but Trump's team DID. And you are not capable of addressing that fact.

    See above.


    Lol, someone failed to read THE FIRST ****ING SENTENCE of their own link.
     
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    LOL!

    The rioters listened to Trump.
    Which is why Trump didn't immediately tell rioters to STOP the VIOLENCE and GO HOME, like for 187 minutes.

    'You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong,” Trump said. “We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
     
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    I'm not making excuses for anything. And show me the crime in challenging the results of an election that was suspected of being rigged? Was it a crime for Democrats to pressure Trump electors to change their vote? Was it a crime to falsify evidence to remove a sitting President? Was it a crime to incite BLM rioters to continue rioting? Is it a crime to call for the genocide of Jews on a college campus?
     
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    The facts say otherwise. And you are about to continue with more.

    No one said it was a "crime" to "challenge the results." Try again.

    You haven't shown any instance of that. Only outside groups trying that. And, no, that isn't illegal in any state in which faithless electors are legally allowed.

    Never happened. And it has nothing to do with reversing an election.

    Complete nonsense. But I understand why you are terrified of the actual discussion and feel the desperation the change the subject.
     
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    Yawn

    Still can't provide a quote from his speech inciting rioters

    Every politician says that. Does that mean they are all inciting violence?
    Would you like to see a video of dozens of Democrats saying the very same thing?





    Leftist Hypocrisy has no bounds.
     
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    Yet you regurgitate leftist media in just about any post you make
    Go figure

    Falsifying accusations to unseat a president is attempting to overthrow an election.
    But its funny how you try and cherry pick words to make fake claims

    Nobody claimed it would. Still cherry picking

    Putting Clinton in power has nothing to do with falsifying claims to unseat a president.
    Read common English

    Running adds to illegally change elector votes, trying to get congress to cancel elector votes, is election tampering.

    So your Hollier than thou arguments don't hold water.
    But its hilarious watching you try and twist information and cherry pick words so you don't have to admit your own hypocrisy.
    Priceless
     
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    That is what Trump did.. challenge the results of 2020 becuz.. suspicion of rigged election. What else did you have in mind?
     
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    What else I had in mind is that I actually read the Eastman memo. And you are BADLY mischaracterizing what Trump attempted.
     
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    What was the factual basis for their suspicion?
     
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    Yeh that makes sense, all democrats should die — but not in the physical sense.

    How absurdly laughable
     
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    What the???? Where did ANYONE say democrat should die??
     
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    Yaknow, I would like to see Democrats saying the very same things that the Orange Analfissure said when he incited the violence on January 6. Can a big bird accommodate this request?
     
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    trump retweeted one of his supporters saying that the only good democrat is a dead one
     
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    What was the factual basis for Trump’s fake suspicion that the 2020 election was stolen?
     
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    The increase in mail-in ballots
    Trump being under attack from the government and the media,
    Biden’s basement hiding with such small rally sizes where he couldn't even fill a high school gymnasium
    81 million votes which has never been recorded in history
    Trump leading voter counts, then shutting down the counting, and when they started counting again, magically Biden was leading in every place where they did shut down counting stations. Another historical first.
    The actual videos of individuals stuffing thousands of ballots in ballot boxes
    Voter turn outs in the 80 and 90 percentile range which has never been recorded in history
    Thousands of ballots found in the garbage cans
    Polling station workers not being able to enter polling stations
     
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    Trump took a good number of totally ILLEGAL acts in his effort to end democracy.

    And, you can read the indictments to see what those acts are.

    Using our congressional system to present justifications for removal from office is NOT A CRIME. Nor is it a crime to present evidence to courts concerning election issues - something Trump did more than 50 times, which is his legal right.

    You need to divide between legal acts and insurrection.
     
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    LOLOL. Fron the article it is the dems getting "so angry"

    • As the party in power, 16 Democrats received threats during Obama’s second term. This increased 169% with 43 GOP lawmakers threatened under Trump.
     
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