Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

Indeed. We have been through this. The NYT and the BBC got experts saying something else than sources that parrot Israeli politicians.

 

The UN partition plan was binding. Arabs attacked Israel in 1948. Arabs lost UN partitioned territory as a result.

 

They have agreed with the consensus that it was a defective Iranian rocket fired at Israeli civilian neighborhoods by Hamas. It is telling that Hamas would not release physical evidence such as rocket fragments which would confirm the source of the rocket.

 

Israel is moving civilians out of harms way. What is more moral than that?

 

When was the last time Hamas killed 30,000 Jews in 100 days?

In 2017 Hamas revised its Charter calling for a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders. "It also referred to Israel as an 'illegal entity' and retained the organization's commitment to armed struggle."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

"While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document stated that Hamas' fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the Zionist project.

"However, Hamas fell short of repudiating the original, 1988 charter, saying it was a document of its time and the new document represented Hamas's position for now."

You might want to define "active supporters of Hamas" and compare that number to the number of Palestinians who actively support the Jew's genocide in Gaza.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

 

Ceasing to drop 2000 pound bombs on the civilians who were moved "out of harms way."

 

Hamas is responsible for every one of those casualties. If previous casualty patterns hold half of the Gazan casualties are active Hamas terrorists. The remaining casualties are de facto human shields.

 

They dropped bombs on Hamas terrorists who had launched rockets from locations “out of harms”. Hamas placed those locations in harms way.

 

Actually, your mistake is confusing Hamas's legitimate right to self-defense with Israel's long standing commitment to ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

 

Hamas has no right to attack Israeli civilian
neighborhoods and then claim that they are acting in self defense when Israel responds in defense of their citizens.

 

Nope, I am not confusing anything, ethnic cleansing was done by both parties - Israel expelled some Arabs from conquered territories (the war in 1948 started after Arabs refused to accept UN partitions of Palestine, attacked Israel and lost) and Arabs expelled ALL Jews from territories they conquered. And when in 1967 Israel proposed peace in exchange for territories - Arab repose was "The Three Noes of Khartoum" - no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.
And now some people claim that Hamas has a right to murder, rape and kidnap Israeli women, children and old people and Israel has not right to response. Some people think it is sad people can be so cruel, I this it is amazing.

 

Hamas brought the bombs.

 

I cannot search what NYT says because I don't have NYT subscription - if you have NYT subscription - copy and paste relevant NYT text. If you don't have NYT subscription, just tell us from where did you get this information that NYT never have back peddled.

Here is BBC information from 26th October 2023, 12:55 EDT where BBC just shows
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67216929

So where did you info that BBC never have back peddled?
And how do you explain that after Hamas people looked for rocket/bomb fragments they cannot find any?

You have right to believe that the newspaper which belongs to Qatar regime who supported Hamas can be objective and can criticize its government. On this group we have people who believe that Russian press is objective and can criticize Russian government. I even once talked with North Korean who claimed that North Korean press is objective and can criticize North Korea government.

 

I have never denied Israel's right to self defense nor the Hamas Charter .. so why are you pretending otherwise in this strawman fallacy falsehood.

You are the one who does not understand that the right of Hamas to self defense does not include mass slaughter of innocent Israeli Children and innocent civilians.

Sorry friend .. but you are the only one in this conversation who lacks understanding.

 

It is always a war crime to harm or kill innocent civilians.

Hamas has made attacking civilians their MO.

 

Yes but Hamas does not have many bombs to bring .. and so this will not be of much help in defending the Palestinians against the evil occupier .. who is engaging Ethnic Cleansing, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. Thus .. as we helped the brave Ukrainian soldiers fight off the evil Russian occupier .. we also have an obligation to help the Palestinians fight off the evil Israeli occupier and war monger by giving military assistance .. while sanctioning Israel .. if we want to be consistent.

 

There would be no ethnic cleansing if hamas didnt kill 1,300 Israelis, mostly civilians, on oct 7.

 

Indeed .. Israel has also made attacking civilians their MO .. which is part of the justification for the claim of Genocide.. the "Intent" part of the equation - satisfied by Israeli Leaders .. using the "Amalek" as the rallying cry.

Comparing the two .. Hamas/Israel .. while both have engaged in war crimes and made attacking civilians their MO .. Israel has done orders of magnitude more than Hamas .. the crime an order of magnitude greater .. such that the Irish delegation to the UN declared "The Hague is too good for Bibi" ...

 

That is a pile of made up bile Sir Ron ?! -

Ethnic Cleansing was going on for 7 decades prior to Oct 7 .. and in fact was going on in earnest in the weeks just prior to Oct 7 .. with no reason to suspect that the ethnic cleansing would not continue after Oct7 .. would it have been a normal day .. a normal day in the Occupied territories normally including some form of Ethnic Cleansing somewhere.

 

Israelis are defending themselves against Hamas aggression and the Hamas commitment to destroy Israel.

 

Indeed .. and the Palestinians lack the ability to properly defend themselves against Israeli aggression and Israel's commitment to Ethnically Cleanse the Land of the Palestinian animals like the Amalek - From the River to the Sea. Which is why we need to arm the Palestinians .. like we did Ukraine .. to help them defend against the foreign occupier waging war on them.. some now claiming Genocide at the international court.

 

Hamas sowed the wind and now reaps the whirlwind.

 

its illegal to harm civilians.

 

40,000 rockets and mortars shells fired since 2007? 13,000 this year?

 

The Hamas charter has nothing to do with self defense. It prescribes killing Jews and destroying Israel.