Biden offers fresh assurances he would shut down border ‘right now’ if Congress sends him a deal

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    Securing our border is non-negotiable.
     
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    Your attempt at both defending multi-issue bills as status quo to allow you to blame Trump is ridiculous.

    If the Democrats wanted to fix the border, they could and they should. Everything else is political BS.
     
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    Oh, you don't know either. Thought so.
     
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    Booming? Ok... the price of the ribeye I ate a few years ago for $4.99/lb has "boomed" to $12+. The $2.39/gal I paid for gas the last day Trump was in office has sure "boomed" too. And the peace in Ukraine when Biden took over has turned into lots of booms. Same with Gaza.
     
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    Since the bill is bipartisan, it's odd that you would take that position.
    It's also the reason to blame Trump.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out why we are wasting billions in Ukraine. Its not NATO. It has no unique products like Taiwan's 50+% of the world's production of microchips. It has no strategic value... it was part of the hostile USSR for decades and no one cared. If all we want to do is save people... why the Ukrainians? Why not the Uyghurs in China? The folks in North Korean concentration camps? The kids thrown out of their schools in Queens, NY?
     
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    The price of gas when I was born was .29 cents. What's your point?
    Biden has next to nothing to do with Gaza and as far as Ukraine goes, if you remember Trump told his pal Putin....."do what you want, I don't care and oh, by the way, I'm going to dismantle NATO. You're welcome".
     
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    The Russian boogeymen. Boo!
     
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    Letting 5,000 illegals in everyday is not a compromise, it’s still an invasion.
     
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    It might shock you that millions of Americans do not want to fund an overseas conflict, because what won't involve us today will almost DEFINITELY involve us tomorrow. We've learned from Iraq and Afghanistan, we know exactly what the next steps are going to be.

    So nein, no, never to funding this conflict. The US has no national security interest in it.
     
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    'Lucky', how is it lucky that they went from a minor incursion to an invasion attempt? The lucky part is the Ukrainian defense, but that had nothing initially to do with US Policy. Now, the war is practically at a stalemate, with us footing one side, and the Eastern powers footing the other. And like others have said, do I want Russia to win? No. Do I care? Also no.

    The only thing that matters is US policy, for Americans abroad and Americans at home. So when we get confirmation of US funds being used to fund Ukrainian pensions, that pisses me the **** off. Let me paint an image for you: US Government funds to the retirement pensions of mar-a-lago workers or to those in the Trump Company.

    Feel enraged? Because those funds are meant for US! Not for Trump, Trump Associates, or the what-should be taxpaying citizens of UKRAINE. It's ****ing outrageous. Since the left likes to use the Hitler comparisons I'll indulge one in comparing how I feel, me seeing us funding Ukrainian pensions, is like him seeing the Treaty of Versailles.

    But we didn't commit a world war, in our case we're Versailling ourselves for free! I sympathize with the Ukrainians, but not at the point of government tax dollars.
     
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    Spending billions to secure Ukraine's borders while leaving our own wide open... is insanity.
     
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    And millions of Americans want succession. So what?

    I guess you'll just have to suck it up until the isolationists are in majority. Then you can look forward to the same fate as UK and brexit.
     
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    Nobody cares about your antedoctal tale. Your mango hero left our Country in a mess with businesses shedding jobs. Dark Brandon and the Dems have steered us away from the iceberg that the SS Trumptanic was steaming headfirst into.
     
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    Not participating in this stupid war is not the same thing as an economic arrangement. And at that, it was the decoupling that made it difficult for UK. As for us, our economy isn't tied to other economic foundations so we're fine there.

    We have 99 problems, but the EU structure ain't one and the only thing you got right is my resistance to make sure the EU never again becomes a US Problem.
     
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    The only thing I could suggest is put your emotions aside and look at the facts for a change. You started a little thread about the EU, then abandoned it when you were asked simple questions to back up your assertions.
     
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    Bump for @AmericanNationalist
     
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    The price of groceries is NOT... anecdotal. EVERY CITIZEN BUYS GROCERIES and they cost a helleva lot more today than when Biden took over. Ask anyone who frequents a grocery store. "Mango hero"??? What the heck does that mean? Is that some attempt at "coolspeak"? "Dark Brandon"??? Is that Hunter? (Joe has white hair). What are you trying to say? Trumptanic? What the heck is that? Is English not your primary language? No spreeky dee Engrish?
     
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    I agree it's a lot of money.

    I don't know. It depends how many bad agents will take advantage of the current world situation. I would simply include it in your budget.
     
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    I didn't abandon anything, I simply went about my day like most other people are want to do. To me, it's fairly simple, pro-EU Citizens should be required to move to the EU en masse. That way, they can fund the taxpaying programs of insert European country at their leisure without involving us.

    The framers were specifically against dual citizenship for this reason and it's time to bring back the sentiment. It's US or the EU, the politicians should pick.
     
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    Can't argue with that. But it's a political problem. Much worse than a financial problem.
     
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    So you want America to foot the bill for saving the whole world whether it has any direct impact on US National Security or not?
     
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    I don't see the connection to US National Security... and THAT is why we have military aid in the first place.
     

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