IDF STATEMENT "No malice in the killing of the 3 hostages"

War crime....

Apparently war crimes go un punished. Just look at Ukraine and Israel. Zero punishment.

 

That statement is absurd.

 

You just said that if human shields are killed it is the responsibility of the person holding the shield. Therefore IDF is responsible for kibbutz beeri human shields, using your logic.

 

The punishment usually happens after the war. Russia is the agresser in Ukraine and Hamas has been firing missiles into Israel since 2012 at least.

 

Well, you managed to totally butcher the word aggressor, so I'll take the rest of your post with a pinch of salt.

Meaning, your comment is unseasoned

 

Actually Hamas started launching rockets and mortars at Israeli civilian neighborhoods in 2007. Hamas has launched ~ 40,000 in total and ~ 13,000 since October 7.

 

Israel and Palestine have been at war all my life (23 years). Kibbutz beeri was right next to the wall, they were used as human shields with the intention of taking the impact of any break out from the Israeli concentration camps in Gaza.

The IDF even employed all female crews to monitor surveillance cams at the wall knowing full well they would be the frontline.

These females IDF human shield crews were consistently ignored by central command as to the build up of hamas militants potentially seeking to break out of the concentration camps.

 

Yes. And so is targeting civilians and claiming that they were human shields after the fact.

 

I very much doubt that. They failed to prevent the Hamas attack in October and their reaction has I think put Israelis in more danger long term, not less.
They have re-established themselves as a pariah state to other states in the region and amplified hatred against them worldwide, to the point of South Africa accusing them of genocide and the ICJ finding it plausible.

I get the distinct impression that no matter what Israel does or says, you would be taking that position.

 

Please read post #274 above.

 

Hamas is a terrorist organization which attacked Israeli civilians from tunnels under the border. They are psychopaths. Israel is defending itself from these terrorists who use human shields by attacking the launching sites which Hamas has located in schools and hospitals. Any civilian deaths in Gaza including Gazan civilians and Israeli hostages are the responsibility of Hamas. Please tead post #274.

Israel is the only democratic nation in the middle east. Twenty percent of Israeli citizens are Arabs.

 

This is not an excuse for Israel to abuse or kill innocent civillians. It is irrelevant to the topic.

 

There is no excuse for Hamas using human shields. It’s a war crime. Israel’s first responsibility is to protect their citizens from attack. If Hamas chooses to hide behind Gazan civilians and some are injured Hamas is to blame for those injuries to the Gazan civilians.

 

Again, yes, but irrelevant to the topic.

It is not an excuse for Israel to indiscriminately murder its own escaped citizens fleeing to IDF soldiers for protection after escaping having been taken hostage by Hamas.
Nor is it an excuse to indiscriminately murder palestinian civilians, including young children, who are not human shields.
Or are you telling us its ok to target human shields and everyone in Gaza is a human shield, so kill everyone there? I don't think that's what you are saying, is it?

 

Israel is defending itself against rocket attacks by Hamas. Hamas is responsible fir all deaths in the Gaza Strip. Eradicating Hamas from Gaza will save Gazan civilian lives.

 

When you have to go into hospitals to get fighters and their ammunition it should be obvious they are using civilians as shields.

 

And when soldiers go in under cover to take out terrorists instead of leveling the hospital it is obvious they are trying to reduce civilian casualties.

 

And when it is people with no shirts on, waving white flags and trying to surrender in Hebrew, it is a bit less obvious that they are human shields, no?

 

It is notable that instead of responding to what I wrote you repeat the above over and over again. Israel can do no wrong eh? It's a toddler mentality to say you did nothing wrong because that kid did worse.

 

NO. You have read the inquiry which explained what happened. In fact you linked to it. A couple of battled fatigued IDF soldiers which had been dealing with ambushes and booby traps for days fired without a clear view of their targets. The only entity which has benefited from this tragic accident is Hamas. It is most likely that Hamas set up this entire scenario hoping for an outcome that would benefit them. And due to people such as yourself it has. All this does is increase the likelihood of more of the same.

 

I repeat the truth. Israel is defending itself. All deaths in the Gaza strip are the responsibility of Hamas.

A gunman enters a crowded restaurant and starts shooting customers. A police officer enters the restaurant and demands that the gunman stop shooting. Instead the gunman hides behind customers and continues to fire injuring more customers. The police officer fires at the gunman and in the process both neutralizes the gunman but in the process injures some of the customers that the gunman is hiding behind. Who is responsible for all the injuries - it is the gunman.

 

This is absolutely not an excuse. The IDF should have replaced them if they were so fatigued or too emotionally fraught or otherwise pyschologically rattled to be handing firearms.
This was ultimately somebody's responsiblity and somebody should have been repreimanded for it, rather than having excuses made. They needed to make it very clear that this is not acceptable, not standard behaviour, and not tolerable within the IDF, rather than make excuses for it.

Yes. And instead of protecting them as they fleed from Hamas, they gunned them down. They should be held responsible for that. They clearly made little to no effort to determine who they were before killing these unarmed citizens. It is an excellent demonstration of indiscriminate killing in Gaza, and is likely indicative of the overall approach. The clear stategry is to kill anything that moves, because maybe just maybe it is somehow connected to Hamas.

I agree. It is a PR victory for Hamas that Israel if acting responsibly could have avoided.

Possibly, yes.

No, due to pepole such as yourself it has. Your defending Israel in indiscriminate killing of its own civilians while fleeing Hamas encourages Isael to keep behaving that way, which will both to recruit more terrorists to Hamas and groups like it, make the establishment of peaceful relations between Israel and a future Palestine harder, and turn the rest of the world agaisnt Israel. Israel is the nation built on holocaust guilt and it still relies very heavily on being percieved as the good guys or the victims. Anything it does to sully that image hurts it. That i ncludes this, as well as the many quasi-genocidal statements some in the Nettanyahu regime have been making.

 

It’s a valid explanation of the consequences of the fog ow combat created by Hamas and therefore is the responsibility of Hamas.

If people actually want to reduce the loss of life of Gazan civilians they must start condemning Hamas for using human shields and support Israel’s efforts to to eradicate Hamas from Gaza.

How many people is ISIS recruiting lately?

 

The American backed Israelis have no defense for the murders of the Israeli hostages by the American backed IDF, so they intend to try and deflect talking about human shields when there were no human shields in these murders, just bare chested, white Jewish males with ginger hair (yotan haim) screaming for help IN YIDDISH!

The American backed israeli govt DO NOT CARE for the israeli hostages. October 7 is a perfect example and the American backed IDF "mass Hannibal" is testament to how they will murder their own brother for his land.

Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

Credit for sticking to your guns and keeping this on topic amongst all of the hasbara deflection and attempts to sweep imperative information under the rug.

iDoff my cap to you.

 

This is a lie. They were not yelling in Yiddish, they yelled in Hebrew.