A Hidden Employment Cost makes the US less competitive H.E.C.K.

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US government already pays enough on healthcare to cover everyone.

    Total national healthcare costs are twice what a simpler single payer system
    as used in Britain would cost.

    The other half of the costs consists of profit margins and the huge amount of
    admin needed to divide up all costs into different categories and different
    providers, and people can't or don't pay, but mostly it's the amazingly
    complex administration.

    So the employers and employees pay half the cost of the US medical system,
    but the medical system would cost half as much if they didn't contribute and
    thereby cause a lot of additional costs.

    The H.E.C.K. is particularly onerous on lower paid employees, and makes
    production workers in other countries with more sensible healthcare systems
    a lot less expensive and can out-compete American workers on costs.

    The US healthcare system is a far more significant problem than than most people
    realize.
     
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    The US spends more on healthcare research and development every year than Britain pays for its NHS. We can cut the price in half right there if you want there to be no further improvements in medicine.
     
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    I understand a lot of medical research is funded through the NIH.

    The cost of US Health Insurance public and private I got consisted
    of the total of all the public funding through Medicare, Medicaid,
    Veterans Affairs, and a slew of other public funds, and an estimate
    of the total amount funded through employers, and employees.

    Some employer funding is funded is by the government, and there
    are subsidies to hospital for patients on sliding scales and the indigent.
    That's my very incomplete understanding.

    Altogether it is a lot of money and very complex.
    That it works at all is surprising, the people in it are mostly nothing
    short of superb.
     
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    But overall it does put companies at a disadvantage and incentivizes
    cutting staff numbers which in practice means moving some people
    off employer health care into unemployment or low paid employment.

    That is bad for the nation's economy, but it helps maintain company
    liquidity in a nation of very high healthcare costs.

    It hits at the low paid end and therefore incentivizes moving production
    work out of the country and puts US employees at a disadvantage,
    and therefore US manufacturing in total at a disadvantage.
     
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    It fits the overall plan of the very rich, expressed in Neoliberalism
    which is to cut employment costs even though it means moving
    a lot of the work and some of the revenue, out of the country.

    That's encapsulated in the US economic system which is Neoliberal,
    the liberal part applying to free trade, in other words buying from
    where ever is the lowest cost and best value.

    In practice than means dollars flow out of the country.

    And our weird healthcare system is designed to make that a lot worse.

    Single payer is a key stage to bootstrapping the economy.
     
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    The US health care system is working like intended: Maximize profits and socalize losses.
     
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    Doesn't seem like a good thread, since you did not bother to define what "H.E.C.K." is, or stands for.
     
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    It's sort of in the title but I guess I used too much artistic license by adding a K on the end.

    A Hidden Employment Cost makes the US less competitive H.E.C.K.
     
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    So to clarify, "HECK" (or more accurately HEC) stands for "hidden employment cost".

    An acronym you invented for the issue or concept you are describing.
     
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    Very true. I often find acronyms puzzling or annoying, but I was able to buy a dispensation
    for this one because 'heck' is a frequently used minced oath.
     
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    The hidden employment cost is in my opinion a good description of it.

    Companies are incentivized to shed employees to shed healthcare costs,
    and if possible to move the work out of the country.

    That harms our industry and our trade balance, and our dollar.
     
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    The most recent employer I had in this country shed a bunch of lower
    level managers who noticed that by amazing coincidence they were
    all over 50, and health care costs on average rise steeply above 50.

    Healthcare costs need to land somewhere and it would be an idea to:

    1. reduce the amazing amount of bureaucracy and administration in healthcare
    whether it is privately or centrally funded.

    2. simplify the system. I spoke with a company that does blood tests who
    confirmed what my primary care provider had said that nobody can be sure
    which tests are paid by the insurance and which aren't.

    3. speed up the billing, if it is going to be itemized. I could have claimed some
    or all of the cost of two examinations that year, but the bills came 2 years later
    when I was with a different health insurance company.

    And that's why I say 'heck'.
     

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