The Diversity Experiment Has Failed Spectacularly...Bring Back The BEST QUALIFIED People!!

many more of these liberal "Experiments" and the will be nothing left to bring back.
I think the first thing to bring back- is common sense.

 

Yes.

 

Nepotism begins with family (that's the definition), religious association follows next, the you get, race, gender, sexual orientation etc.

So no, race is today not a stronger tie than family or religious association.

On the total flip side is meritocracy of course. Sadly, within some very powerful groups in America and UK, meritocracy comes a distant second to religious association or family ties

 

The anti-AA crowd doesn't seem to mind so much when Jr gets hired cuz Uncle Bob pulled some strings. Easily around 30% of my friends in upper management got their foot in the door based on a connection. The kind far, far fewer minorities have.

 

Like the old business saying goes, it's not what you know but who you know.

The white Jewish European community employs this mantra like no other, love them or loathe them, that's their mantra. ive heard many so called black folk say we need to be more like the WJE but is that truly healthy for the wider community?

 

So? Many crappy Americans have more rights and blessings than many better people elsewhere in the world because to be American is to have their foot in the door. It is a birthright or a pedigree. They still have to prove themselves.

 

The wider community? That sounds like commie talk.
They don't seem to take life for the broader population in to account. Like the affect on poverty.....then crime.....not affording people an opportunity has on everyone.

 

To be clear, you're saying AA hires are retained even when they don't prove themselves?

 

translation:
Prove themselves to be "white" and survive in "our" cutthroat arena.

You got what you asked for

 

Yeh ...but there is merit in both arguments, sometimes ppl need to be given a chance, that's all it takes. After all, business is ultimately about risk

 

I can totally understand how formulating a tram with both blue eye and brown eye people, or blondes and brunettes makes the team stronger.

/sarcasm

This is literally the same thing as what you say, and it's just as ridiculous.

But... I think you're trolling anyway.

 

What they call "diversity" spectacularly failed, because it isn't diversity in anything but physical appearance.

Diversity Education and Inclusion programs are almost always uniform in thinking, lacking in research or academic honesty, and based on deliberate explicit exclusion. It's marketing that has indeed failed for that reason.

 

Good point, but your analogy there only works if you aren't racist. Racism leads people to see much more that skin colour when they see skin colour. This race is X. That race is Y. Etc.

They imagine that giving a privileged wealthy Harvard applicant an even easier ride somehow makes up for the hardship struggled by an enslaved person, just because both happen to be black.

 

Fact? Or more like your unique personal bias.

 

You say BRING BACK the best people. Did we ever hire or choose the best people? It seems in the past connections, nepotism, alumni, race, sex, money always played a part. It was definitely part of the last 300 years you mentioned. Why is it a bigger deal if race or sex is involved now when it was OK in the past?

 

No, you suggested that to have connections which benefit you is somehow unjust. I said that's not true. What AA does is build some sort of artificial, graceless, Frankensteinish approximation. It is absurd and redundant. And it simply doesn't work. Everyone has to run around picking up the pieces for the sake of the monster. That is the accomplishment. It lives!

 

I don't care about minorities. Artificial progress is artificial. Therefore it sucks because it is all image and no quality. It also dictates to employers and discriminates against Americans. It is wholly wrong headed and unconstitutional.

 

Fact. Have you looked into any of these DEI programs? There is rarely any diversity beyond skin tone, education beyond repeated mantras, or inclusion of anyone with different views.

ACTUAL Diversity, Education and Inclusion would be something I could perhaps support, but the DEI people definitely don't.

 

In order to comply with that perspective, I think you have to assume that racism is both systematic and prevalent. I don't believe that it is.

 

Why? Why do minorities have fewer opportunities?

 

DEI is the latest right-wing acronym boogeyman like BLM, CRT, ESG, SJW, LGBT....

You like to comment on US culture but you fundamentally do not understand it.
We have had what is essentially a caste system since the beginning. The highest caste are whites and the lowest are African Americans. It was officially abandoned in the 60s but it has remained imbedded in our culture, as demonstrated on this site. Black immigrants are aware of this by making sure you know they are not African American but Nigerian Americans, Haitian Americans, etc. and trying not get rid of their accents. They see being "African Americans" as a disadvantage.
It is widely believed that going out of our way to include African Americans in hiring, higher education, government brings down the quality without any proof outside of cherry picked examples. Cherry picked examples can also be shown whites bring down the quality. African Americans have twice the poverty, 1/10 the wealth, teachers that are less experienced, are more likely to be denied a loan or a job with the same credentials as whites....Many African Americans also believe, along with the US mindset, that they are the lowest caste psychologically crippling them.

 

These are all worthy of comment. Any social movement or legislation or initiative is. I am not right wing. Quite the opposite.

It was abandoned, yes. There are social remnants still yes. Some right wing racists are still out there. Some white supremacists too. And there are also plenty of racists and race hustlers on the faux left who profit from and are dedicated to keeping these social remnants around. That includes those pushing DEI.

An actual moment to get beyond racism also exists, I strongly support it, and it was much more potent a few decades ago, with the positive message of people working together and being friends regardless of race, and race being a stupid thing to care about. But that's not DEI or any other initiative that pushes for discrimination rather than against it.

Also note that this issue isn't exclusive to the USA. It is also rampant throughout many other western nations.

It will in some cases. It usually won't, I agree. But it is racial discrimination, racism, and it undercuts the actual anti-racist efforts. How can we win against discrimination against black people while pushing for discrimination against white people, Asian people, and whatever other races are declared unworthy? The whole argument is that we should NOT discriminate against people by race.

And that is a holdover from the nation's history, while being clung to by racist of both the white supremacist and race hustler kinds.

We should always be mindful not to view races of people as monoliths or as inherently this or that. Black people are not all poor and underprivileged, and they are not inherently poor.

Removing the racial barriers is key. Creating new ones is counter productive.

Strike down all remaining laws that racially discriminate. Call out all who do and hold them accountable. Teach youth not to racially discriminate.

Fund social programs to help the poor out of poverty, regardless of race. Help all who need it, regardless of race. Do what we can to give everyone a fair chance, regardless of race. Since a higher percentage of black people than of white people are in this category, it will help more black people, but not do so in a racist manner, and thus won't feed into the cycle of racism.

DEI is an orwellian misnomer. It is based on exclusion, not inclusion. It has no scientific basis or rationally ethical case for it, and is repeated as dogma, making it the opposite of Education. And it sees only physical characteristics, rather than diversity in mindset, education, wealth, upbringing, etc. That's not thr Diversity it claims to be.

 

The caste system was "officially" abandoned but you greatly underestimate how much it is embedded in the personality of the nation. It had a hand in forming both the Black and White US cultures we have today, unlike other countries in the world.
You may not be a right-winger but you seem to match their hyperbolic hysterics concerning DEI (Orwellian, dogmatism, irrational, discriminatory).

 

So, what's your point? Do you feel it important to maintain it? Why not move past it? Shouldn't that be the goal? Do you think there's any chance of doing that while clinging to it, and pushing more rather than less racial discrimination in the society?

That's not hyperbolic. That's fact. It is all of those things. Do you claim it is not?

I note you didn't actually address much of what I wrote and you quoted. Its one thing to note people pointing something out and label them "hyperbolic". It is another to show that they are wrong.

 

And now the best games are developed overseas. The best apps are developed overseas. China now destroys America in innovation due to people like you in positions of power who have subverted all of our critical infrastructure. China does not respect diversity. It has a homogenous male hierarchy and it is showing the power of humans operating in the manner that they were evolved to do. America is demonstrating how rapidly "diverse" leadership can eviscerate even a super power. The diversity is our strength mantra will die. The only question is if America will die with it.

Chinas leadership is perhaps the best in the world. They brought a 3rd world country from absolute nothing to global super power in forty years. America's leadership is perhaps the worst in the world. They brought the most powerful hegemon to ever exist in the world down to a shattered husk bordering on civil war in that same time period. These are easily the fastest rises/falls of empires in human history and demonstrate how critical the quality of the elite class matters to the success of a nation.







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"Diversity" steals our technology. Given that Chinese nationals are better coders than Americans, they are a dominant force in all of our top tier technology companies and they are ripping off every single innovation. America's diversity is China's strength.