Ghosts are Proof of God

I obviously didn't come up with a scenario.

I suggest you go back and re-read that, and get off this stupid swamp rant.

- YOU - are the one that connected a general statement about manipulation of scenes - swap gas, etc - in faked photos - into - I must be talking specifically about the photo you brought up earlier!

 

HERE I brought it back up for you - VERY OBVIOUSLY - I am talking about manipulation of "verified" Photos - not you specific photo!

 

Once I was touring the contryside on bicycle, I actually saw three ghosts moving in a neat formation, one behind the other. All of the height and stature like cloaked persons. They came from the right, crossed the road in front of me and went into the field to my left where they disappeared in the commencing darkness (not kidding but they were actually heading in the direction of a mansion renowned for it's hauntings by grey and white ladies, an earl and a handful of other ghosts).

Yet, I have still never had a paranormal experience in my life, either. Knowing it was that time of the day where the cooler evening air would condense above the still warm ground, there is of course no reason to think that the phenomenon I saw would have paranormal origins. In fact, it would be downright foolish to think so. Though not uncommon.

 

Lucky for you, the validity of your statement will be confirmed or disproved someday. Live long and prosper!

 

God is still a fantasy until such a time.

 

Oh no.... I do not say a smudge "is responsible. " I say that the only thing visible on the photo is smudge. It certainly cannot be confidently identified as a "lady." Let alone "Lady Dorothy Walpole."

As to the "competent professional photographers" I'm not sure what either competence or professionalism have to do with it. Photographic hoaxes are hardly an unknown phenomenon even coming from competent professionals. The earliest (to involve "ghosts") are probably William Mummler's from between 1861-and 1879:

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Then there was Ada Emma Deane, the "photograph medium" who provided photos of "dead war heroes" for armistice day... that turned out to be football players:

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William Hope was professional photographer in the late 1800s who used to fake ghost photos to try and charge more to his unsuspecting customers:

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The point here is that almost as soon as photography was invented, people began faking ghost photos... even "competent professionals" at a time when photography was so complex and complicated that even amateurs needed to be experts. The history of ectoplasmic fraud is so extensive and provides so many opportunities for reward (monetary and reputational) that any reasonable rational person should start with the opening position that such pictures are probably fake.

And I gotta tell you... the "brown lady" looks fake on its face. If this is "evidence" we are confronted again with how genuinely pathetic such evidence actually is. But then again... these "competent professionals" did end up getting paid for their work. So it was certainly good enough at the time.

 

I like the fact that you put effort into finding fraudulent photos, something I wasn't willing to take the time to do.

 

That's why it is called faith.

 

There is also the entire issue of not just WANTING to see one. But also believing in the possibility of its existence. It partly has to do with subconscious paranoia; when on the subconscious level people believe there is a possibility of something like a ghost they can quickly attribute to a situation.

Say your door swings in slightly on what appears to be its own. Well this could be attributed to physics, gravity, increasing force, a loose lock or hinge or any number of logical reasons. Hwoever people who are paranoid of the supernatural may come to the conclusion of "HOLY $---! A ghost!"

The same could be said of burnt images, blurs, altered or faked photos and other such things. People ahve a tendency to see things where there are none. It is just how we are.

 

I believe in the context of where the photo was taken, given the fact that so many people have seen the ghost (including King George IV of England) and recognize her from the many portraits in Raynham Hall (she is called the Brown Lady for the brown brocade dress she has been reported to wear) it is clear who the ghost is.
If you don't see it I hardly find that surprising, or significant.

The well respected professionals (Captain Provand and Indre Shira) employed by Country Life magazine to photograph the Townsend estate had no history, before or after the Brown Lady photograph, of "ectoplasmic fraud" and had nothing to gain from this photo (monetary or otherwise since the photo was property of Country Life) and, indeed, almost everything to lose if they were caught manufacturing a hoax.

That there is fraud is not in doubt. That the Brown Lady photograph is an example of fraud is an unproved accusation with absolutely nothing to support it. http://www.paramyst.com/brownladyimage.html

The photo just supports what so many eye witnesses have reported. I can't help that it conflicts with your belief system.

 

Duh! Someone needs to retake a critical thinking course in school. Fallicies all over this post.

 

Since ghosts do not exist, I do not believe the photo. It was either faked, which is my first guess or just some stupid photographic error.

 

I agree that when used in the context of supernaturality, that's another way to say fantasy.

 

Ghosts may be more appropriate for one's fantasies.

 

Whatever belongs to that realm is appropriate to call a fantasy, I agree.

 

The plural of "anecdote" is "not data." But I have to tell you, if I intended to fake a photo of a ghost, that sounds just like the perfect place to take it.

Getting back to the evidence presented, we are talking about the photograph you have presented. It is a smudge on a staircase.

They were photographers for God's sake. They weren't neurosurgeons. They weren't barristers or bankers. They had almost nothing to lose if they were caught. People would hardly refuse to employ them because they had pulled a prank. It might have improved their professional opportunities for all you know.

They got paid for the photograph. The magazine got a bump in its circulation. Sounds like everybody involved was quite happy.

Other than that it looks completely fake you man?

Again, Yosh... you are the one pushing it as evidence of something. The responsibility to establish its legitimacy is yours, not the skeptics.

One more time... with feeling:

The plural of "anecdote" is "not data."

 

Not uncommon for superstitious fools!

 

It is already confirmed, since there are not and never have been any god or gods.

 

By the way, a good, even a great and wonderful reputation is meaningless.
Penn State former football coach Jerry Sandusky was indicted Friday by the Pennsylvania attorney general on various offenses, including: seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, and seven accounts of indecent assault.
This is a man with a far greater reputation that any of the photographers you have mentioned. A man honored by state, School and nation. A man of conscience who started and supported and maintained by his actions a charity for Children with problems, and yet, he is human and capable of ANYTHING, just as the photographers were capable of forging the photographs. The photos may or may not be fakes, but it is more likely that they are faked than that they show REAL ghosts, lol.
Humans do most anything they wish to, and often for no understandable reason, at least to you or myself. Superstitious nonsense like ghosts do not exist. Humans capable of lying, cheating, forgery and worse are EVERYWHERE.

Occam's Razor is quite simple. It basically says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and in this case the simplest explanation is the photo is faked.

 

Nope, that is why it is called religion. And, religion is mythical, superstitious nonsense.

 

I remember a night about 50 years ago, spent camping at the beach with the Scouts. It happened to be during the perseids meteor shower. A friend and I watched the shower for several hours, and during that time two scout leaders and 4 or five scouts got all excited because they had just seen UFO's. ROFLOLOLOL--it is amazing what ignorance and superstition can do to what one sees. It converts smears to ghosts and meteors to UFO's.

 

Kings and Queens, presidents and congressmen, Priests and Popes lie. Humans lie, to claim that something MIGHT be real, just because a king and others CLAIM to have seen it is NOT evidence, lol, it is nonsense. There is nothing but claims of humans to support any ghost, including the brown lady.
I think you watch the Science Fiction channel to much, especially those fake GHOST HUNTER shows, LOL.

 

Ghosts and God are not even on the same level.

 

...at least no solid evidence for God.

 

Wrong. One can have faith without religion.