The birther thread to end all birther threads

Frankly I am not even sure what Ms. Jollie is saying I could or cannot deny.

Because Ms. Jollie has moved the goal post to something different from what I clearly stated.

So I will make it very clear:

Ms. Jollie....The voters, the Electoral College, Congress, Chief Justice Roberts, The Secretaries of States of all 50 states and former Justice Sandra Day O"Conner have all expressed their opinion that Barack Obama was indeed eligible. And the Indiana Appeals Court clearly expressed their opinion that, based upon Wong Kim Ark, that anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen- that you cannot deny and claim to be truthful.

And their combined opinion reflects the consensus opinion within both the population at large, and the legal community of the definition of Natural born citizen. It is the definition that was indeed used by all parties involved in the 2008 election.

And the definition being proposed and promoted by Ms. Jollie and Michaeln is the opinion of a fringe minority that is contrary to the consensus opinion within the United States. That you cannot deny and claim to be truthful.

Birthers- attempting to corrupt the Constitution since 2008.[/QUOTE]

"Frankly I am not even sure what Ms. Jollie is saying I could or cannot deny.
" Wow I never thought I would see jeffie make a true statement. Up to this point he hasn't shown he knows what it means.
"A person who does not want to seek truth is enslaved to their own ignorance" - RS
"A person who has denied truth is already a slave to ignorance." - RS
It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat*

 

Totally untrue. At the time this was made public Hawaii didn't accept it for Homeland Security and land ownership purposes.

 

So since once again you have been owned with the facts I present it would be nice of you to man up and apologize for your derogatory remarks made to me.

 

yeah, what about that ?

 

1.yeah theres no need for discussion.The sane people know that he is not a us citizen and the discussion is over and done with.

2.The Obama apologists still do not accept that he is not a us citizen.

3.The Obama apologists will NEVER accept that he is not a us citizen no matter how much evidence is presented to than the the documents are forged.

we have countless numbers of forgery experts saying it is a forgery so the open mined people that are not obama apologists have all the evidence we need to know he is a fraud and the obama apologists will live in denial and wont be convinced no matter what so yeah,theres no more need for a discussion that the obama apologits are living in denial.

 

lots of experts think the copy on line right now at whitehouse.gov is a "put together" image made with a computer. not just a scan of the original.

 

And they are neither expert or right...

And regardless, the document used to create the PDF as been declared original by the issuing authority... Game, set, match... It still suck to be a birther...

 

Of course just another birther lie

Miss jolly will whine that I haven't proven my statement but jolly ignores the evidence so why waste my time.

But I will point out that miss jolly didnt offer any proof for her claim

 

you said that like four months ago, yet here we are.

 

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

it's like you enjoy getting caught making things up.

 

yes, here we are. obama is still president, and you birthers have lost EVERY single legal challenge to date.

 

If the Hawaiian Revised Statute 338-13 hasn't been amended, it is still the law and supersedes any information for dummies web-page.

Fact = HRS 338-13 makes it LAW that only a certified image copy or a certified copy of ALL the contents of an original record held on file is 'considered for all purposes the same as the original'............. a 'part thereof' AKA COLB AKA Certification of Live Birth is excluded from being considered the same as the original.

Unless you can cite a LAW that states otherwise, you are all bark and no bite.

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obama has done nothing but mishandle distract and hide his past, there is nothing he or any obot can say to change that. we still haven't seen his original, or even knows if it exists. hundreds of experts have challenged the document online, no matter what anyone says. you can see the proof of that on google search. those challenges too, have gone unanswered by a guy who touts tranparency, in a country that never stops asking questions. i'm still confident it will al come out.

 

In the basement of this forum and out of the mainstream. Nobody beside you and 2 or 3 birther sockpuppets keep these threads alive.

You are fading into the vast well of irrelevence.

 

And why don't you produce your ORIGINAL BC. I bet you couldn't do it. At best you'll get a COPY of your original, or a new document produced with the information, complete or partial of said original, but you'll never get your hand on the original!

And once you have your copy, how are you planning to make it available to everyone who want to see it? Well, you can scan it and put it on the web.

And yes, when you'll scan it, your scanner will first produce a tiff/raw file, which is the native format of any good, professional scanner, and then you'll save it in whatever format you want. And guess what? If you select to convert it on a Mac using the PDF engine that comes with Mac OS X, then you'll get the exact same thing the you got on the WH pdf. Especially if you used the optimization options provided.

Else, what are you going to do... Pass it on, hand to hand to the 300+ Millions of citizen in the USA?

 

This is, of course, another stupid, pathetic and pointless lie on the part of MichaelN.

 

Ignoring how badly you have garbled this assertion (for example "Homeland Security" is a Federal not Hawaiian department), this had exactly nothing to with proof of citizenship. This had to do with proof of Hawaiian blood.

This continued claim by Birthers only puts an even finer point on the depth and breadth of their willful ignorance.

 

How can Birthers be this dumb? No. Natural born citizen is not "a higher natural degree of allegiance" than citizen. "Citizen" is merely the general term that includes both natural born and naturalized citizens. Born or naturalized is the only distinction between classes of citizenship under the US Constitution. There is no third category.

It does matter what they "look like." It matters what they actually are.

Neither are quotation of Vattel. And neither case cites Vattel at all. In point of fact, even the Wong dissent never cites Vattel (or Minor). Your previous assertion remains proven to be a bald faced (not "bold faced") lie.

No apology for you.

You can't even seem to keep straight what doubts are being settled. They are not doubts regarding the status of children of citizens, they are doubts regarding the status of children of aliens. These were left open by Minor, but settled by Wong. Why would they need to settle what the first court acknowledged was already settled?

They settled that the children of aliens are also natural born citizens.

I answered that question already, and this very post of yours is an alleged response to that answer. If you keep asking the same questions you will keep getting the same answer:

The same reason that the Minor court never called Minor a natural born citizen. Because neither were running for President.

Same answer.

And the "US Prosecutor" lost.

Actually. Yes they did. If they did not, then by definition they are not citing Vattel.

 

yet you are drawn here like moth to flame.

pretend you don't care. what a hypocrit you are.

 

my original birth certificate has been on line since june, unlike our president (not yours), i have nothing to hide.

there is enough going on to warrant investigation, our america people deserve it... you too.

 

I notice Micheal doesn't actually provide a link or even a quotation to support his claim.

Whereas of course, we have shown official statements from the State of Hawaii specifying that yes, the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is indeed the Birth Certificate the State of Hawaii currently issues. Micheal would have us believe that the State of Hawaii is issuing Birth Certificates that Hawaii says are illegal, while at the same time Hawaii is saying they are legal.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf
"In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which issometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein
Obama.

In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vitalstatistics records. Since then, its long standing policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates."

Now Michael and Miss Jolly represent Birthers well in rejecting the actual offiicial Government statements, and instead insist that their own obscure interpretations are the real and true interpretation of the law.

Which is one more reason why it is fun to mock Birthers.

 

what are you the commentator ?

 

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