OOooh.....I forgot...pray tell......who financially supports the Orange order? Would that not be Your Aristocracy....supporting the disgusting religious card?? Go on....and who is the heredity peer overseeing the Orange order? Don't you dare lecture me about religious and racism cards until you get your landed degenerates into some sort of order! Rather than elect them as prime minister! Regards Highlander
Rex , Clown or just better informed than you have ever met ? Regardless , it is quite clear that you are either a total liar or genuinely do not have access to that August Latvian news . Similarly , re details of the invasion of Georgia . And clearly your knowledge of the ruthless Vostock Brigade and its part in the conflict are zero . How about the contribution played by Chechyna in fighting Tiblisi . Admittedly most of that boils down to Sulim Yamadayev and his Clan . But you appear to have no knowledge of any of it . Even a brain washed person must occasionally wonder what the feck is really going on ?
You are seemly attempting to fight the cold war all over again! Is this a prelude of what's to come from the droogies? Are you paid to support this nonsense? Americans and America is owned! Full Stop! You have a facist state but don't even know it yet! I'll give you an idea! http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/naming-names-your-real-government.html http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/10/8_Harry_M._Markopolos.html http://www.infowars.com/russian-warships-enter-syrian-waters-to-prevent-nato-attack/ You are an apologist for those reprobates in the UK government and the USA AIPAC government! Regards Highlander
This thread is about how you can be aware of the significant shortcomings of your country through history, and ye still find that your country has played a positive role in certain respects. That is the widest interpretation of its subject. A more narrow interpretation is that it is just about England. <<< Mod Edit: Off Topic >>> Alterntaively they could describe the shortcomings of their own nation and assert that it still has played a positive role in certain aspects. I would be interested in Russia's "positive role" in history. But if you are trying to assert that Russia is some sort of model nation...then expect to have such a ridiculous point of view derided. <<< Mod Edit: Off Topic >>>
Guess you are right . The connections go back a long way and we realise you have much to be grateful for . However , in these harder times I think we will have to be less sentimental and generous and slap you with a few home truths . You are on borrowed time Ruskies and it won't be many more years before the Muslims that you have treated so appallingly show you exactly how they feel . Allahu Akbar , I say .
I have never seen such an incomprehensible argument involving such poor grammar used by both belligerents! In any event... Russia has contributed much in the way of science -- they sent the first man into outer space, as you know -- and literature. It is politics and diplomacy where they invariably trip up.
This thread has been derailed and the members have resorted to so many off topic posts, personal insults and flamebaiting that I can't even hope to address them all. In just a few pages I've deleted over 20 posts and issued warnings to some members. For those that didn't receive warnings but had their posts deleted they should have received warnings. Get back on topic and stay there. If I have to come back to this thread I will be very liberal in handing out infractions, thread bans and even temporary bans from Political Forum. I don't want to do that and I'm sure the members don't want me to do that. Shiva_TD Site Moderator
Ha! The only nation on borrowed time is your delapidated Empire! We have lived in peace with Muslims and this time will cry whoever ( I think UK) except for Russia! You know it and it sends you into frenzy!
I apologise. I was not aware that the Civil War with the Caucasus Emirate was over . Did Putin surrender earlier today? And have you also stopped torturing and killing Tajiks and Kyrgs . They seem to hate Russians .Popularity in Belarus and Uzbekistan is also low . And why do the Nashi target ethnic minorities all the time ? Has this word "peace" got several meanings in Russian? But what do I know ? Allahu Akram
Bingo! Caucasus Emirate -is the term used either by chechen rebels or the people who support them! How long have been in cooperation with them?
Bingo once more again! Who kills and tortures Kirghizs and Tajiks? O yeah ... may be englishmen who hav been slaughtering millions and millions people and nations! They seem? What does seem to you else? Where does it seem to you in the mornings or in the nights? May be you overdrank as you are notorious for drinking to much booze! Kirhiz are clinging up to Russians! You for sure can't imagine it being a white snobby English Racisit! How about RT? Have you already begun to look for true TV events?
Highlight the poor granmmar please. I have never been so insulted in all my life! I don't want to defend them too much but they are debating in a foreighn language. As to your last snibbet, this is true. I already conceded literature - but I think great art can come from great deprivation. Yuri Gagarin of course can't be forgotten. But aren't you scratching around the barrell a bit? I mean I've read some Russian history. They had a couple of monarchs who tried to drag them out of the dark ages, one of whom built St Petersberg on the bones of its construction workers and the other one who got killed by a horse in flagrante delecto, but apart from that, what is memorable? The one thing which is commendable is that we all owe a great debt to the twenty million members of the Red Army who died fighting the Nazis. Without the brave sacrifice of the USSR in WW2, the war would not have been won by the Allies. This really was a massive contribution to humanity. The problem is that it was achieved under Stalin, who was a leader who matched Hitler for barbarism and murder. And Eastern Europe paid the price, by effectively being occupied for forty years and being run by Russian puppet governments. It's really hard to say positive things about Russia, which is why Russian nationalists either directly fabricate history, spin it that Chamberlain and Stalin were equivalent collaborators with Hitler, or just resort to insults and abuse. There must be some respectable point of view that underpins Russian nationalism, whether you agree with it or not. What is it? It eludes me. Early in the thread we were all saying nice cuddly things about how all nations have good and bad etc.... Is Russian the exception that proves the rule? Apart from thinking slavs are racially superior and should all rally to rule by Moscow, Jews are sub-human, and that democracy is a filthy anti-Russian plot, what exactly is the basis of Russian nationalism?
I wasn't referring to you with that remark. Yes, well I must concede the point there, I suppose. I don't deny that Russian nationalists perhaps are more often forced to grasp for straws than other nationalists. But I am not defending them; what I merely mean to convey is that Russia has made contributions to humanity. I am not stating that Russia is especially marvelous, or particularly modern, or liberal, or anything of that sort -- simply that it is unfair to label it "the cesspit of humanity."
OK Plymouth, I will concede that I may have overstated the case. But this has raised an interesting question. If I look at Britain, France, the USA, China, Arabia, Italy (or Rome), Germany, Japan, Greece... all these are countries that have made major contributions to civilization, quite apart from their undoubted crimes. But with Russia, a military power to be reckoned with and always one of the "Great Powers", can this really be said? It is a serious question. I have no axe to grind.
I understand what you are saying Heroclitus, but surely we cannot discount the contributions to the arts and literature made by Russians? Can we consider the works of Dostoevsky, Pushkin, Tolstoy, Aleichem, Solzhenitsyn, Gorky, et al, insignificant? And what of the music of Balakirev, Arensky, Borodin, Glinka, Khachaturian, Mussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Scriabin, Tchaikovsy, and Shostakovich? The Russians have contributed enormously to literature and music. If I were to pick an erstwhile empire that has contributed almost nothing to civilisation - with the exception of the odd bit of music from the likes of de Falla and Rodriguez - it would be Spain. But even then, I doubt I would be totally correct.
A very gracious thought . I don't think ordinary people think in such blame terms . They know you are in the grip of something quite extraordinary and evil . I guess some of us are wondering how long it is going to take before you are ready to overthrow the system and become as strong as Syrians and Egyptians are right now , for example .
Well at least you didn't try and pass off Ayn Rand as a Russian "great". You forgot Zamyatin, Mayakovsky, Turgenev, Gogol... I always acknowledged the Russian contribution to the arts. But how much are these achievements due to Russia's greatness? Could you not argue that these writers brilliantly reflect the darkness of the Russian soul? Dead Souls for example is a brilliant satire on Russia's capacity for self delusion, a portrayal of a feudal bureaucracy in the nineteenth century. It amplifies my point. Dostoevsky wries of a darkness and a pessimism that is very Russian. Others, like Gorky, write painfully beautifully of a Russian society that is very backward. Poets do not testify to the greatness of a nation. Poets arise from pain and tragedy, more often than not. Even comic writers like Dickens are rooted in the dirt and the grime of the dark Satanic mills of England. If there is more, what is it? Russian nationalism is represented as jackbooted neo Nazi racism. Russian democracy is an elected dictatorship that silences its critics by killing them. Where and what is the greatness of Russia?
