I haven't been here for a while, but I thought I'd pop back in to see if anyone has realized yet that it is an obvious impossibility that any of the three remaining establishment candidates can beat Obama in the general election. If anyone can explain to me how you would beat the Democrats without the youth vote, independents and the libertarian wing of the party, please feel free to share. It should be clear to Republicans by now that the demographics I've listed above are not in the "anyone but Obama" camp. Conservatively I think it would be fair to say that over half of these people don't see a difference between the mainstream GOP candidates and the Democratic party. I think it would be fair to say that this important group consists of over 10% of voters at a minimum. How do you win without them, honestly?
Those little beads of sweat are beginning to show on your forehead. I don't blame you....... the numbers don't look good for your man. A ham sandwich can beat obama in November. Once a republican candidate is chosen and the machine gets behind him, you can kiss the squatter goodbye. The conservative majority that sat it out last time will be out in force this time around. Go ahead and bookmark this post for posterity. I'll meet you back here in December to tell you 'I told you so'.
So right, and don't forget the evangelicals that are tired and angry that obama has been trying his best to eliminate Christianity from our society. It could very well be a masacre.
Evangelicals provide Obama with a very effective distraction tool to avoid discussing his disastrous financial record. If social conservatives could just focus on limiting the financial stranglehold of the federal government, Dems would never hold meaningful control in any branch of government. Either way, Obama will have to defeat his record and not a human opponent. Something that will prove to be very difficult.
Believe me, I'm no fan of Barrack, but you're hardly being a realist. Is your argument that "we lost last time because conservatives didn't vote"? If conservatives didn't vote last time because there were no conservative options, what makes you think they would come out to vote this time? PS: I'm talking about conservatives, not Conservatives. Which of the 4 candidates would a fiscal conservative who wants personal liberty, low taxes, reduced government and doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about meaningless social issues vote for?
I am a Libertarian. Being a Libertarian, I know many other Libertarians. Roughly ten percent of them would vote for either Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum if they were nominated. Likewise, there are even less Democrats i know of who would cross party lines to vote for the Republican Nominee. Conservatives need to face the facts- It's either Barack Obama or Ron Paul being sworn in twelve months from now. The establishment candidates cannot reel in Democrats and Independents like those two can, and that is absolutely essential in order to win the general election.
This seems incredibly obvious to me. Rather than a picture of a crying Obama, I would really love to hear how establishment Republicans can envision a path to the White House. It would require some sort of huge capitulation of spending or overseas adventurism by one of the token candidates to get youth and libertarians on board. There is simply no other way for them to win.
NO MAN YOU’RE WAY OFF! Ron Paul is done same goes with Santorum and Gingrich. As far as your comment about crossing party lines; watch and see. Romney is going to win the republican primaries that’s a given. Republicans will support him 100%. Then when Mitt Romney announces his VP choice, Marco Rubio voters from both sides will be on board. And that is how republicans will take over both houses and the White House. BOOYA! Yeah I know, I just knocked the wind out of the O/P. Say good bye to Barak or Barry or whatever his name is.
The Republican party will need to undergo a massive change if they want to regain control of the White House, but you can see it happening in the younger generation of Republicans. More and more are incorporating Libertarian ideas and messages with Republican ideal and I think that is the future of the GOP. I think conservatism had a chance with the Tea Party, but it seems like they have lost any sense of identity they once had. I can't even recognize them anymore, I did not necessarily agree with everything they said, but I respected how they took their stand on things and did it peacefully and with purpose. They seem almost desperate at this point.
Granted Obama will still maintain a majority of the Youth or College vote.But that vote is irregular at best.Obama will no longer have the White Guilt vote and I dare say a good enough percent of Democrats will likewise turn on Obama.Especially those Blue Hard hat bitter clingers from states like Ohio and especially Penns. Obama can also forget the seniors as he secretly pulled a fast one on them and CUT $500 Billion from their Medicare to help manage Obamacare. Obama will always have the Black vote but no way as many as when in 2008. Obama is on a literal Teeter-totter. Someone need inform him likewise.I doubt Eric Holder will be the one.He's close to being put under arrest for both Contempt and Lying under Oath and also Conspiracy to Obstruct an Investigation.
I wish you'd start writin' more in line with stuff like . ' Obama done it to himself '. I prefer slightly off grammar.
Obama's done what to himself? Made the country far better off and safer than it was when he took office 3 years ago? Conservatives are running against an Obama that doesn't exist.
Far better off and safer? In what ways, exactly? Because he's effectively taken away the right of Habeaus Corpus? Because he renewed the patriot Act? Or is it because he bombed Libya without congressional approval for half a year? No, wait. It's probably because the unemployment rate is hovering around ten percent. His nine hundred billion dollar stimulus worked, though. Cash for clunkers was a good call. Liberals are voting for an Obama that doesn't exist. What they don't understand is the Obama they fell in love with didn't exist in the first place.
I completely disagree with this thread. The "neo-cons" are the only ones likely to win for so many reasons it makes no sense to list them. This will be a low voter turnout election, and a close one. Both sides will struggle so hard at moderation that the differences between them will be isolated to social issues which the media will ignore. Because most of us are not mesmerized by social ideologies, most of us are more worried about our current standard of living and want a leader who will tell us everything is going to be alright and who we will believe. In reality, and as in every election, we will be choosing between bad and worse and floating along in a tepid current.
The bottom line is this election cycle is a huge disappointment for me. We have the second coming of Jimmy Carter in the White House and the best the R's can do is ofer up John McCain 2.0 Under Obama we have seen the debt increase $5 trillion in 3 years, gas prices double, millions of jobs lost since Obama took office, a record number of people on food stamps, foreclosures continuing despite several "plans" offered by Obama to stop them, and food prices increasing almost weekly at the grocery store This should be an easy election for a conservative to win - yet all that is offered is another moderate Republican - or another liberal lite Even with this, the battleground states show a close race, but it is a massive letdown for Reagan conservatives who have to decide if they want to vote for a broken leg or a broken are
I have to disagree with you. Mitt is a poor choice but Obama has shown via his polcies he is worse In the end the one candidate who can unite the R's and make them turn out in huge numbers is Pres Obama The #1 goal for people like myself is to make Obama a one term mistake
They just don't get it. I was a Republican, until about 8 years ago when I realized there was no difference between big government, big spending statists R's or D's. Now I am a Libertarian. The Republican party can count on my vote if they nominate someone like Paul who actually cares about liberty and getting our financial house in order. Nominate Romney or Newt or Santorum, and I will write in Paul or vote Libertarian. It is that simple...and all the Paul supporters/libertarians I know feel the same way, and most of them voted for McCain last election.
The youth vote he got before was "before"...they've done that and have the tee-shirt to prove it, so they will simply sit home or in their dorm rooms that day playing video games. Secondly the independents and libertarians will probably either not vote because Paul won't be there, or vote for Romney. Obama is beatable if Romney or whoever is the final candidate actually attacks his non-record. Take for example the Navy Seals who for decades have tried to remain obscure...what does Obama do but use them for his bully-pulpit. Shameful, absolutely shameful. Yes, the job needed to be done, but the information about who and how it was handled cold have fallen under "National security" as does practically everything else Obama doesn't want known.
