Funny thing about "tax the rich"

Oh gosh, bringing up abortion. Conservatives only care about your babies until they are born, lol!!

 

I rest my case. It is now crystal clear that your "rights" infringe on what I consider to be my rights.

 

Wow. Then I imagine you are really unhappy with the Citizens United ruling.

 

No, because that effects the liberties of the rich. Why do you think that its ok to hurt the rich to help the poor. Especially since high taxation to fund large welfare programs inadvertently help the rich stay rich. At best all that will happen is the rich will up and leave America. I surely would.

Labor unions are also infringing on liberties. They force people to pay dues, they create impossible legal and work situations, they control people's and business's lives. We should have organizations to protect your average worker, but unions have gotten OUT OF CONTROL. Most of the time a union comes in and causes companies to have to fire more people than they would because unions are expensive. With unions you would have 100 people making 15 an hour, but without them you could have 200 people making 7.50 an hour. Sure its not great pay, but not everyone can be a millionaire. Thats just LIFE. Why is it better to employ fewer?

 

it isnt about what you "consider" your rights to be. like i said, no interpretation necessary. Your rights and liberties are very clearly defined in the constitution.

 

Im not a conservative, if thats what you thought.

 

And leftists only care about babies so they can kill them. LOL

 

So then you agree that the liberties of one may infringe on the liberties of another, and our disagreement is just over whom the infringement hurts. You want to protect the "liberty and right" of the very rich to destroy democracy and I don't.

Why do you think taxes are about helping the poor?

There you go again with that strawman.

There would always be people here who prefer to live here and to build a business here. And those like you who would leave, please GO. It would be an improvement if we only had citizens here who love the country and want to stay and solve problems for Americans.

HAHAHAHA!!! And corporations don't infringe on workers' liberties? LOL!! Workers don't have to join unions. they can get jobs elsewhere if they don't like the rules. (Your bias is showing.)

Oh? How about polling union members on that?

I don't know that to be true.

And that race to the bottom is very important to you.

You lose.

 

The Constitution makes no mention or reference to capitalism or any form of economy, either.

 

Well, THAT is patently ridiculous.

Do you think we can have a serious conversation that is of any benefit to anyone by posting ridiculous bumper stickers?

 

I disagree that a citizen cannot help their business. They can help their business succeed by doing more than simply clocking-in to collect their paycheck; employees working to higher standards can easily increase the success of their business - and in a well run business usually the employee is better paid for such extra efforts and increased success if possible.

I do agree that businesses are strangled by excessive regulations, though some are necessary, a lot of them are simply ways for the government to please this or that special interest and/or give the government more money to waste.

-- None of this typically holds true in government employment arenas however. It does not matter that Jessica at the DMV only processes 5 customers per hour, while Janet processes 20 customers an hour; Jessica will get her set pay, same as Janet, regardless. Jessica will also typically receive pay raises at a regular pace, regardless of her poor performance. etc. Government involvement in general fails at employee motivation.

 

LOL!!! Good catch... apparently it helps the rich remain rich but it hurts the rich because taxes are unfair!! Haha

 

And we can't solve that by letting corporations own and direct government with money. Only by ENDING corporate influence in government can we hope to solve it.

 

That is a separate issue; our politicians, and government as a whole, are hugely corrupted, however, taxing the rich has absolutely nothing to do with resolving that Pandora's Box.

 

Right. Ending Citizens United will help though. I wasn't referring to taxing the rich in this case regarding regulations for special interest groups.

 

This is basically how our country is working right now. The wealthy have essentially outsourced our jobs overseas for incredibly cheap products. For this to work there has to be massive consumption. For massive consumption to happen a lot of people need money. This is where the Govt comes in. So instead of people earning money from wages these days they earn money from the Govt.

The Govt supplements the demand side so that we can pay for the products that were made by outsourced labor. Raise taxes tremendously on the wealthy and let competition in America happen again.

 

Even if I were to cede your idea (which I do not) that the government taxes the wealthy in order to support the poor/middle classes ability to buy the products brought back in - government taxation of the rich only feeds the problem...

As a country, we should look toward our future and our better well being, rather than a band-aid solution that will only come to head in another presidents reign.

We are far better off to make America a more enticing prospect for these companies to work in, than we are to tax the wealthy to support the continued loss of American jobs.

 

Making us more like China by reducing wages and labor costs is exactly how a plutocracy works. Either start taxing wealthy people or continue supplementing the demand side. There are no other options other than letting people starve.

 

... who said anything about lowering labor costs? I said entice businesses to hire in America.

 

Yes. It's as ridiculous as the post it was prompted by. That's the whole point and thanks for noticing.

 

what is so funny to me is how the Progressives and the liberals can't remember things..

it isn't the conservatives that suddenly sat up and said "Hey!!! we are getting taxed, that's not fair!"

it was YOUR President in speech after speech saying that the rich should pay their 'fair' share.

conservatives live in reality where they accept that LIFE itself isn't fair!

how can it be 'fair' for a child to be born in poverty in South America when there is a child born to wealth and power in Saudi Arabia? how can life be 'fair' when some children are born with birth defects and others are born healthy??

would you lame the fastest runners to comfort the slower?


when I was growing up, when we whined that this wasn't fair, or THAT wasn't 'faaaiirr'; our parents told us to suck it up, life isnt' fair. It is a lesson apparently the Progressives continue to deny learning.

 

yet no one complained when those 'billions of dollars' simply appeared, when a stock cost $1 at the start of the day and $10 at the end of the day, where did the $9 come from? nowhere...it was an imaginary amount. No one actually took $9 cash out of their wallet to pay for that stock. It was just a figure on a ledger. If I owned that stock on PAPER I would be $9 richer but in the morning if it dropped to $3 a share, I didn't LOSE $6, I never HAD that $6 to start with.

and I don't recall people fussing about profits while the good times rolled...now that THEY aren't the ones sucking up the profits, suddenly profits are bad..

talk about hypocrits..