Problems With Deut Laws

Why start a Margot thread instead of dealing with the historical realities and scholarship?

All the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy are about purification rituals , offenses and how to live.. it sets them apart and preserves identity and generates revenue.

 

Usually when Christians are asked these kinds of questions it's a set up to be zapped in some way. Such as when people of logic are trying to convince a Christian that they're wrong and should change their mind and stop believing in "silly" stuff. It's not to truly learn something, just to zap someone in some way. That's why it tends to get insulting.

But please, keep things on topic. If you wish to discuss things you should try pming her.

 

I'm asking about you not about the torah, so tell me, do you believe in sola scriptura?

 

To an extent.. I am not Catholic......

By scripture alone to me means that you have to study it and understand it on several levels ..including historical context and symbolim of the culture in those times.

 

Have I disagreed with you yet?

 

You do realize that the OT is the foundation of prophesy that the NT references to show Jesus to be divine?
In fact, the earliest of these passages is from Deuteronomy.....

Deuteronomy 18
15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Deuteronomy is the first to speak of a prophet and the first messianic reference.....
The OT is the foundation of Christianity

 

who are these "scholars" that you say claim to believe the books of deut and levi, were written after the babylonian exile?

 

Acts 3

20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

A direct response, nearly identical to Deuteronomy!

 

I thought the first prophecy was the protoevangelium.

 

The Jews believed that the Messiah would be an anointed warrior king like David who would free them from the Roman occupation.

In Jewish eschatology they still believe that the Messiah will be a mortal descendant of David who will rule from Jerusalem.. as will his son and grandson after him.

Daniel was a Canaanite hero long before the Hebrews arrived on the scene and the Book of Daniel was written in the 2nd century BC.

 

Do they still have the geneology written somewhere?

 

I am not a Torah scholar.. but I have met Israelis who claim they can trace their linage back 2000 years.

As I read scripture.. as a Christian ... it appears to me that there are 2 genealogies for Jesus .. so who knows?

Its not important to me whether or not Jesus was descended from David.. or whether His chroniclers tweaked that...

What matters to me is the message.

Let me add a caveat here: Jews don't all believe the same thing.. neither do Muslims or Christians.

 

Deuteronomy 18 OT

Acts 3 NT

Almost word for word the NT Acts 3 referencing Deuteronomy as a Moses/God law

 

If we are going to discard Deuteronomy as God/Moses law, we must also discard Acts

 

And only Acts mentions Jesus.

Its generic stuff.. Palestine was crawling with prophets.. not as future tellers but as the public conscience ... those who were in touch with higher values and the Will of God.

The problem with Christians is that they don't understand what prophets did or that there were schools for Prophets in ancient Israel.

 

And what's your point?

This is the exact point I'm making, Acts mentions Jesus and then unequivocally references Deuteronomy in doing so......
So if we are to believe that Deuteronomy was not a law and commandment of God, then Luke is incorrect and we can discard all that is written in his authorship.....
Gospel of Luke and Acts.... Gone!

Now we run into problems with the Canon

 

Oh I believe it was written by moses. But, the protoevangelium, is believed to be the first prophecy concerning Jesus' birth.

 

OH GAD... there was no Moses.. its a tale of redemption.

 

Jesus said there was a Moses. And He should know being God the Son.

Quantrill

 

Jesus taught in Parables.. the Exodus was a parable of redemption.. in many ways Exodus is another creation story.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/230877-what-parable.html

 

Fred is no christian and he's no conservative. So you lose on both those points. Additionally. It is NOT christians that start these threads. It's you atheists. Either you can't leave God alone or HE won't leave YOU alone.

 

Matthew 17

1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Throw out the first book of the NT also?

If you keep going, you're not going to have any bible left...

 

Better remove Mark from the lineup as well

Mark 9

2And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

5And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

 

John 1

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Better just remove John also

 

Romans 9

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Apparently the apostle Paul was also confused, but the list goes on and on..... Bible is dwindling!