Why are conservatives more afraid than Liberals?

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  1. Iron River

    Iron River Well-Known Member

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    We don't need a study to see that dem base is on their knees at the feet of Obama and the progressive leaders begging them to protect them from; the mean bankers who tricked them into signing a blank loan application, grocery stores who trick them into buying junk food by pricing it as if it was junk, McDonalds for tricking them into buying the super sized shake, etc. On and on the liberal horde asks for help from the federal, state and local governments to help them get buy. But they aren't afraid to ask, and ask, and ask for more.
    Ron Paul is a nut and we all know it.

    Great idea, let's forget the fears on the left; and all of those groups are left of the group being attacked on this thread. The liberal horde; and I include everything to the left of center because they support each other, fear freedom, responsibility and self reliance and hate anyone who suggests that they give less government dependency a try.

    I just heard the liberal national anthem by Bob Dillon. "Everybody Must Get Stoned" Liberals want to drag everybody down to their pitiful level.
     
  2. bentblue

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    Well we do know that republicans are officially pro KKK and neo Nazi. The KKK and neo nazis were well represented at CPAC. Reichpublicans is a more apt name for the GOP.
     
  3. mertex

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    Well,a righjt-leaning person (which you appear to be) voting for a non-issue was as good as casting a vote for Obama. The Bush tax cuts will be ending, too bad Obama was trying to get bi-partisan cooperation when he agreed to extend them only to find out the Republicans don't want to be bi-partisan. And, maybe you have to go to the used car lot, I only buy new cars. I'm sure that concept is alien to you.

    You were not the only one that cast a worthless vote, so, maybe your's didn't make a difference in your state, but, it could have since electoral votes are based on popular vote in each state. Anybody with a brain knows that not voting or voting for someone that doesn't have a chance might as well cast a vote for the opposition. All the Republicans, conservatives, or right leaning voters that cast a vote for Baldwin, Keyes, Jay, Knapp, Barr and any other right-wing candidate might as well have cast a vote for Obama. All the Democrats that cast a vote for Nader and any other left leaning candidate, might as well have voted for McCain.

    You typed it slow enough for you to figure out what you wanted to say, but when I read it, it is all there, the way you type it doesn't have anything to do with how fast I can read it. It isn't like it is coming out for me to read as you are typing it! Sorry, you didn't know that.
     
  4. tomfoo13ry

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    Oh, boy...the turnip truck hit a bump, did it?
     
  5. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, I hope you didn't bump your head to hard, as it is, it was already difficult for you.
     
  6. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks, I'm fine. I heard the truck coming from a mile away and was well clear by the time you came tumbling down, Huck.
     
  7. protectionist

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    This is a good quote even though you are sarcastic.
     
  9. unrealist42

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    Except there is because the hysterical levels of fear and mistrust that republicans push is nowhere near the level any threat presents, even where their might be some actual threat.
    The problem is that their hysteria makes it impossible to deal with any threat in a manner that would reduce or alleviate it since any attempt to do so just leads them to drive even greater hysteria.

    This is bad news for them because people have limits and the more hysterical republicans become to appeal to their base the more completely insane they appear to everyone else.
     
  10. JEFF9K

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    The fear makes them more submissive to authority. See Robert Reich's recent article at Huffington.
     
  11. protectionist

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    Too general. Specify what fears you're referring to, and then I can assess what you say.
     
  12. Unifier

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    Trying to control external circumstances rather than one's own reactions to circumstances is the best barometer of fear. Who is it that tries to silence opposing views? Who is it that wants the government to micromanage every aspect of society? Who is it that wants to repeal or at the very least severely modify the Second Amendment?

    Now I ask you again....... who's the scared one?



    It's right there between the story about the Amazing Frog Boy and the latest Elvis sighting.
     
  13. Spiritus Libertatis

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    The authoritarians (socialists (Dems) and neo-cons (GOP)) consider themselves the natural (and to an extent they actually are) ideology by which government should be run. Liberalism was a direct threat to them, they are scared of it because a free man who does as he chooses without the government telling him what to do is scary to them. People who don't live the same way they want you to live are scary to them. It's fear of the different mixed with lust for personal power, which causes them to both fear what free men might do and ruthlessly attack them and try to destroy any progress they've made in the last few centuries. This in turn causes us to be afraid of the power the authoritarians wield and the lengths they are willing to go to in order to attain more.

    Authoritarianism, being classically labelled conservative since it is the form of government everyone used to be ruled by and most still are, is indeed a scary thing. Socially backwards and grabbing for your wallet constantly, with an entire army of weaponized minions to enforce their rules.

    If anything, liberals like myself are scared ATM because of how they've managed to regain some of the power they lost in past centuries. If we do not oppose them, we will lose this new concept of freedom that has only just caught on.
     
  14. mertex

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    It's a stupid and senseless quote. Not surprised you think it is good.
     
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    Of course you like this 'quote'. It's quite a reflection on some of your posts.
     
  16. garyd

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    People who are afraid of everything try to control everything. The number of things the left wishes to control exceeds the number of things the right wants to control by roughly 20 to 1.
     
  17. Marine1

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    Not afraid. Conservatives are more concerned of the consequences of what will happen if we do certain things. We don't let emotion guide our thinking as Liberals do. When laws are made and bills are passed it effects the entire nation. We must be aware of the consequences of passing such laws and bills. Much like the War on Poverty, NAFTA and Free Trade. Were they written up right? Were safe guards put in? What effect will it have on the country? Both Liberals and Conservatives have done things that has made this country a mess. It's time we think things out better and look at all the possibilities future laws AND ACTIONS WILL HAVE ON OUR COUNTRY.and not go by emotion. We can't be everything to everybody. There isn't enough money in this country to do all that.
     
  18. johnmayo

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    You want more and more government regulatory agencies. There is nothing you feel you can do in life by yourself without the help of government. That makes you submissive, not independent. I think you have those terms confused.
     
  19. Marine1

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    An example of writing up a bad bill. Congress passed a bill that requires gun stores to report anyone who buys more than one hand gun a week from their store. But they left off the bill, long guns. So what happens? Drug dealers has people here in Arizona buying 2-10 assault rifles at a time and shipping them down to Mexico, which has been used to kill thousands of people, even here. It was a bad bill. One that wasn't thought out enough. All the law makers could think of is the killings done with hand guns. It's time we start getting these laws and bills right before passing them. Later when I get more time, I'll tell you about a stupid farm bill we passed that has cost this country billions.
     
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    Congress wrote up a farm bill that would pay farmers not to plant certain crops so that they could keep the price up so that farmers could make a living. Only trouble is, the way they wrote it up, any land speculator that bought large partials of land, in order to build on it later with homes, shopping centers or etc. was able to collect thousands off the government every year for not planting crops. Even though they had never grown anything on it before and had no intention of ever growing anything on it. Even large horse farms were collecting on it and they weren't growing crops either.

    Liberals want to put all their faith in government to make things better. But most of the trouble we are in has been done by our own government, writing up bad bills that has cost the American people plenty and helped bring down our economy.
     
  21. mertex

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    Ha,ha, obviously you have a problem with math and maybe logic, too. Who tries to control marriage? Who wants to control union rights? Who wants to control abortion? Who wants to control contraceptives? Who wants to control gay rights? Who wants to control voting rights?
     
  22. mertex

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    Is that why Republicans are clamoring to pass the Keystone pipe-line bill? Because they are concerned with the consequences of what will happen if we do certain things. They (Republican/conservatives) have imagined results that are erroneous and won't listen to reason, they seem to think that it will reduce gas prices and create jobs. Well, think again.

    We're producing way more gasoline than we need. The gap between supply and demand is so great, in fact, that the only market oil refiners can find for their product is overseas, where demand is growing (and prices are often much higher).
    And this is happening even before booming U.S. shale oil and natural gas production really kick into high gear over the next few years, which brings me to two more observations:

    The United States is on track, says the International Energy Agency, to become the world's top oil producer in just seven years — bigger than Saudi Arabia by 2020.
    The U.S. will become a net exporter of oil around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035.
    That means that we'll have so much oil in just a few years that we'll be able to export it — like the Saudis do now — and won't need a drop from anyone.

    So with all of that in mind, tell me: Why do we need the Keystone pipeline?

    Republicans — greased by big bucks from the oil lobby — ignore the above points (if they're even aware of them) and continue to be apoplectic about Keystone. They're convinced that it's absolutely necessary for national security. They're convinced that without it we'll be at the mercy of foreigners (other than Canadians, of course). They're convinced that it'll bring gasoline prices here down. And finally, they're convinced that without it, American jobs will be lost.
    The claim, therefore, that Keystone will lower gasoline prices here at home simply isn't supported by facts.
    This leaves just one more argument for the pro-Keystone crowd to cling to: That it'll create American jobs. This point is true. It will create jobs, but the devil is in the details.
    But TransCanada, the firm that owns the Keystone project, originally estimated that it would employ about 6,500 construction workers for about two years — and has since lowered that figure to about 4,500. Certainly, ancillary jobs for manufacturers, engineers, service workers, and the like would also be created. But once the pipeline is up and running, it'll take just 35 people — according to a State Department study — to maintain and inspect it.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/244956/why-we-dont-need-the-keystone-pipeline
     
  23. mertex

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    You are right about the farm subsidies, and farmers collecting thousands of dollars for not planting stuff they never intended to plant in the first place, but who else but "government" is going to end that error?
    Congress could end it if they could get the Republicans to cooperate, but Republicans won't cut the farm subsidies unless they are also able to cut help to the poor. Now that's what you call "compassionate conservatives" - if the rich farmers aren't going to get their checks, neither should the poor! Brilliant.

    There are many things that the government can do that individuals, even State power can't do that are beneficial to us as individuals. Conservatives look at government as all bad, never stopping to realize the many times the government intervenes and saves their hides.


    Unfortunately, even though congressional Republicans are looking to cut domestic spending, most of them regard agriculture subsidies as an especially meritorious program, not an especially awful one. Some of them want to cut it deeply or even do away with it, but not enough. And the main dynamic that prevents reform, and the reason the farm bill ultimately went down on the House floor today, is that the conservatives who do want to cut agriculture subsidies will only do it if they can also kick the living crap out of the poor.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/gop-hates-poor-too-much-to-end-farm-socialism.html
     
  24. mertex

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    There are many things that you as an individual cannot do, and you need the government to do it.
    You could not keep credit companies from hiking interest rates, whenever they wanted to, to whatever they wanted to, if it wasn't for government control.

    You could not force the company that you work for to provide a safe environment, allow you time off, not force you to work more than 80 hours per week, and pay you for work you do, if it wasn't for the government regulations and controls.

    You could not stop an epidemic if it wasn't for the government intervening, providing the serum and managing the illness.

    You could not recover from a natural disaster such as a flood, fire, tornado, hurricane, mud slide etc., if the government didn't step in and provide low interest loans for you to rebuild. Private industry could care less if you rebuild or not.

    Private industries are not going to inspect our bridges, roads to make sure that you are traveling on safe ones, and if they could, they sure as heck would charge you an arm and a leg, much more than you pay in taxes to the government.

    You could not protect yourself against a terrorist attack, could not even be able to foretell it if it wasn't for our government.

    It's about time that Republican/conservatives started thinking and realizing the many things they think they don't need the government for, when they do, and instead of whining about it, do something to make it better.
     
  25. garyd

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    Obviously you're the one for whom basic math is an issue.. First off both sides are ultimately tryng to control unionization and voting rights. You've got three others. here's a short list for the left, light bulbs, the size of car I can drive how much and how little money I can make for a given Job, what size soft drink I'm allowed, And let's not even bring up a tax code that is several times longer than war and peace and is more about micromanaging people's behavior rather than raising revenue. OSHA rules total another few million words a goodly percentage of which are like the rules for where to put a coat hook inside a bathroom stall. then threre's another few million rules for the DOE and the EPA. Hell dude their isn't one single human activity that some Federal rule or regulations doesn't impact one way or the other. Hell You bozos even have regualtions concerning the type of commode we can take a dump in. And Republicans are the control freaks???
     

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