Do you have an entitlement to Health Care? (USA)

That's one theory. But even if it's true, that's still an improvement over it simply being unavailable to most people due to cost.

 

To me, considering ALL I've seen and even talking with people I personally know living in nations that have UHC... we are far worse of (and will be) than they are.

Anyone saying that this nation will do worse with UHC, is in my view just crying "wolf".

 

Logically, the usa could have a universal system any time it chooses. Simply slash the military budget in half. Even then it still be the largest in the world. Use the tax to pay for health services.

Although an inspired quote from an aussie chatter summed up why this never happen:

"Given the choice between universal health and a new tank, the american always chooses the tank"

 

We don't. But I believe we should and anyone who doesn't agree is inhuman. To literally let people die to save $$$ is literally evil.

We could cut our healthcare costs by 2/3rds if we'd adopt a more Canadian-like system. Then the savings are more than enough to insure all citizens. In fact, our corporate monopoly type system we have right now both costs more and covers less. The only benefit is that it's the best healthcare in the world for the rich while it's (non-benificial) okay (not best or close to best) for the middle class and absolutely horrendous for the poor.

Again, this is not true. It's actually CHEAPER if we'd reform the REASONS our healthcare costs so much. It's the most expensive healthcare in the world by far with less coverage and quality for poor and middle class. Because of the way we let businesses dictate the costs and let monopolies and stuff like that happen we're paying, at the very least, 2/3rds too much.

 

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I have heard estimates that the medical industry defrauds 10% of the entire US budget away. There is no need for anyone in the US to have insurance unless it is major medical. I remember not long ago I could do an ER visit for a few hundred dollars. The prices are out of control and it is the bureaucratic settings of hospitals and the drug companies that are the issue. Hell I can see my doctor for 100-200 bucks 2 or three times a year. Cash and carry.

 

And why not do that? Of course... it ALL about making a 'profit'. (That's all that MATTERS to them.) No system to them (the GREEDY) will be good, unless THEY can game the system and make a profit from it; to HELL with the actual WELL BEING of the American citizen. (Yeah. Who REALLY cares about the minions?)

 

Wouldent the reform remove power from the health care corperations to give more access and treatment to poor and working poor americans. In which case the goverment would have to heavily regulate it. So it is a universal system just by a different title.

 

If you are poor there is medicaid. Get a job with benefits. I work for an owner operator with no benefits I still find a way to pay the $600 a month for insurance for me and my wife. You can find insurance if you do the research. I could pay less if I want a higher deductible. My premium will go down soon when we can show my wife is off high blood pressure medicine and thyroid medicine.

To say people can not get insurance is liberal talking point and show how screwed up the priorities of the people are. If you make it a priority you will find a way to get insurance.

 

It is time for UHC; that way... no stupid conflicts with "religion" and other special interests.

Let's get on with focusing on HEALTH CARE... not politics.

 

People that need immediate medical attention in America get it in emergency rooms everyday. To suggest that those folks be attended to only after some sort of means testing is inhumane. If you suggest only those that can afford care get it you are inhumane.

 

It will not work. The government can not run medicare or medicaid properly and you think Obamacare will work?

Is this what you want?

http://biggovhealth.org/stories

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7908742/Axe-falls-on-NHS-services.html

 

That's just a republican talking point, showing how screwed up the priorities of our system have become. If we made it a priority, people wouldn't need the insurance in the first place.

$600 a month for insurance -- for conditional insurance, even -- is too much for a lot of people to pay. It's been a pretty lousy winter here on my island, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of working class folks -- skilled working class folks -- who didn't make $600 this month, if they made anything at all. That's not because they're bad, or lazy, or lacking in smarts, or even just plain unlucky. It's because of deliberate decisions made around the world by guys in suits and ties.

But all of this is getting too specific. Yes, all human beings have a basic entitlement to health care. We knew this when we came down out of the trees. When Grognak the Barbarian needed a tooth pulled, the tribe didn't stop to lecture him on how he wasn't entitled to the services of the one guy in the tribe that had a pair of pliers (the blacksmith/dentist). The tooth was pulled and Grognak was able to go back to protecting the village from frost giants, or whatever.

Somehow we've stopped seeing other human beings as inherently valuable. Which is silly, 'cause there's really nothing more valuable than another human being. They can do anything.

 

You are the one that wants political healthcare by having government healthcare. Look i now will be forced to pay for contraceptives thanks to Obamacare.

Obama has made healthcare political. I do not want the government denying me healthcare like England is doing

 

It really bothers you more to pay for condoms than for nukes?

And I don't think Obamacare actually makes anybody pay for condoms. I'm not sure where you get that.

 

It can get better. And actually it has done quite well.

Even so, UHC NOW!!

 

Hear, hear. I agree. UHC now.

 

Why should I pay for my neighbors healthcare if he is to lazy to work? The liberals want healthcare to be another entitlement the working class and rich should pay for so others can line off the system.

 

Then go on welfare and get medicaid and you will see how bad government funded healthcare is.

 

For the same reason that you pay for your neighbors' property rights if he's too lazy to hire an army to protect them himself. 'Cause it works out better for everybody.

 

Wrong!! And you need to see better than you do. Even so, it should not be hard (if you take an honest look) at what the COMMERCIAL health care industry has done TO Americans. They've tried to squeeze out profit, where HEALTH should have been focused upon.

Say what you want, but that COMMERCIAL HEALTH CARE industry is about to SINK their own boat.

UHC NOW!!

 

Why should I pay for them when I got fixed 30 years ago. I should not have to pay for your sexual addiction

Did you miss that contraceptives have to be free through insurance companies under Obama care? My insurance premiums will increase for women to have sex

 

I don't want to go on welfare, I'm too busy working.

And I still don't know that UHC has to be funded by the government. It's more that the health care industry requires regulation in order to achieve universal health care. I suppose the regulation would have to be funded by the government but I doubt that costs much by comparison.

 

There is a 'movement' afoot, to make UHC a reality. Say what you want, but while the COMMERCIAL system capsizes and sinks off in the horizon... people will see to it they get health care.

 

It will not get better it will get worse. The government never runs social programs correctly

 

We ALL pay for my sexual addiction. But that's a different topic.

I still don't get why you think that universal health care means you have to pay for someone else's condoms. In any case, that's an awfully specific gripe. But let's say you're right and somehow it does mean that -- do you know how cheap condoms are in comparison to all these other costs?