Chicago teachers asking for 30% raises over next 2 years

Well, an awful lot of dollars that find their way into the pockets of the 1% come from poor people.

 

Ok so we agree that labor rates should be determined by a fair market system.

Thus, in the market, considering HOURLY wage rates, teachers are not under paid comparatively to their private sector counterparts. In fact, looking at their direct private sector counterparts, teachers in private schools, they are making more.

Agree?

If I am a business owner, and sales are great, that doesn't mean that I HAVE to pass that profit down to employees. You know why? Because as you said above, the labor rate is determined by the market... not profits.

Right?

Don't play these childish games with me.

You don't know me, so don't try and invalidate my points with non-sense.

 

That isn't getting a job. That's making a profit.

You seem to want to blend the lines between employment/sales in an effort to make your argument.

Profits and income have nothing to do with fair market value for labor.

 

Re-quoted for truth... get your kids out of public schools as soon as possible.

 

Absolutely not. They're not hourly employees. They're highly educated and are required to continue that education throughout their career.

There's the mentality of the corporate greed that is killing our country. No integrity. No loyalty. No sense of responsibility to your fellow American. I know a billionaire that just passed away. He embodied the exact opposite of what you champion.

Oh, from your words and opinions, I know you.

 

I hate to break this to you sid.. but the number of hours one is expected to work is a consideration for their labor rate.

Simply saying "they aren't hourly employees" to avoid this fact is illogical.

So is everybody else? What does this matter?

Good for him.

Government has no place attempting to pass law based upon addressing greed, integrity, loyalty, or responsibility. Those are all subjective issues.

LOL.

Alright bud.

Here is a hint. I don't work for somebody else.

 

Gee, no kidding. You're the problem.

There was a time in America when business owners thought differently and acted differently, because they care about their employees and their communities and their country.

Now, those things don't matter so much. Its now a mentality of selfishness and screw your neighbor. Well, good for you. Knock yourself out. What comes around goes around...bud.

 

Evidently, you're overlooking how tone deaf the unions appear asking for a 30% raise from a reeling private sector, Cig.

The Democrats should be grateful this is happening in Illinois where it won't hurt them. It certainly isn't impressing anyone outside the Land of Lincoln...

 

Considering Chicago schools rank 695th out of 772 schools in the state, I'd say they deserve a 50% CUT in pay till they get that ranking up.

http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/cityrank.aspx

 

I can't wait to leave the city and move back to the suburbs. Might be a while, though...

 

Liberals think that their personal opinion automatically equates to a "fair" wage. They expect everything to revolve around them.

 

3. Executives who don't show results, get fired.

 

You mean like the teachers who can't seem to teach half their students to read? Those great American heroes?

Sick individual.

 

These are the same people who complain that the oil industry is making too (*)(*)(*)(*)ed much money. They have record profits despite the fact that they earn 3 cents on every dollar of gas sold. Pay more in taxes than the record profits they earn and glean a lower percentage in earnings than companies like Apple, Microsoft and GE.

And conveniently forget that their beloved governments, both local and federal, are the real reason gas costs so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed much considering the taxes imposed.

 

Patently false. It doesn't take a high level of education to teach K-12. I know way too many teachers who are teaching on AA degrees and a CBEST exam simply because California can't get enough teachers to fill their classrooms.

Most teachers who earn an unimpeachable credential [basically those who are more qualified than an AA/CBEST teacher] don't need to continue their education unless they have aspirations of their own towards principal positions or wish to expand into other areas of teaching.

It is true, however, that they must be well versed in life-saving procedures, which requires continued education in that regard.

 

You sound like a whiny public school teacher who has never lost an arm or a leg fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Most inner city public teachers are so incompetent they can't even teach the children to read and write properly yet they want to hold themselves up as bigger hero's than our soldiers fighting the terrorists?

No way Jose.

 

All of this discussion is pointless because this isn't about what anyone has "earned" or what anyone "deserves". It's about union extortion. That's what it is about and will always be about. The union will made demands and absent pressure from voters the politicians will acquiesce. Union thugs will do their thing if necessary and the courts will, as usual, look the other way.

The victims have been and will continue to be the children, especially the children of poor people who can't afford private schools.

Read an interesting news story about Chicago school teachers sending their kids to private, and largely free of criminal influence, schools.
http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-f...ol-teachers-send-own-kids-to-private-schools/

 

Did he 'hit' on you? Before or after you danced with him?

 

So teachers want a 30% raise over 2 years?

My reply would be "People in hell want ice water"

 

Other than being liberal Democrats who depend on the public teacher's union for campaign money why would the government bother to negotiate with the teachers?

If these people think they can make more money somewhere else they are free to quit their job and go for it.

But this is a kickback scheme between the liberal Democrat politicians and the public teacher unions.

 

You got it

The more money they make the bigger the dues taken from the workers

The bigger the dues the more the union bosses can give the Dem in campaign donations

In 2010 the unions were the BIGGEST doners in the election - not those "secret" doners to the R's the Dems were crying about

So look how money the union bosses blow on politics and NOT on taking care of their members

It is clear who the union bosses care about and it is NOT their members

 

Teachers in Chicago that have a Bachelors degree make $50-79K a year. They work from Sept. to June and get every imaginable holiday paid plus the various breaks (1-2 weeks) throughout the year. 75% of their students graduate barely able to read past the 8th grade level and can't make change for a $10 bill. And they have the audacity to think that they're entitled to a 30% raise?

 

It is called the entitlement mentaility that libs have burned into their soul

 

I don't know how much they make but teachers tend to be severely underpaid.

People compare them to the private sector but it's not comparable because nearly all teachers have college educations and stuff. Comparing experience and education teachers are factually mathematically severely underpaid in most regions.

You hear about the million dollar pensions and $100,000+ salaries but those are really the exception to the rule.

Again, I don't know anything about Chicago specifically, and I understand that these are tough economic times. But teachers were ALREADY tightening their belts even when the economy was BOOMING. Now you want them to strangle themselves on them...

 

Underpaid?

How long will they system last the teachers earn more then the people who pay them? (the taxpayers)

Teachers are on a gravy train and now have the gall to demand more gravy?