What Is This "Fairness" Thing?

If they give great amounts to charity, and STILL have enough to live like kings, how is that hypocritical? No one expects Romney or anyone else to give away every dime to the poor and become poor themselves.

 

If in your opinion this is a bad post. Then I'll consider it an excellent post.

Fact there are few celebs compared to the general populace.
Fact there are many drug, alcohol and unknown causes, deaths by celebs.

The numbers could be researched to prove my case, but I'm satisfied with my existing knowledge about celebs. Actually I know a great deal more about them than I care to know and I've NEVER watched even one celeb "reality" show. Plenty of them kill themselves, not enough of them, but still plenty.

 

and you have no idea what their level of giving is to charities, is that correct?

 

Actually there have been studies done that say Conservatives give much more to charity than Liberals. Since FEW celebs are Conservative, best guess is they'd follow the normal liberal miserly ways.

And if you want to see the studies, Find them yourself. There have been threads on this forum about it, so you could start there. Don't even consider asking me to do your work for you.

 

But they advocate forcing OTHERS to give MORE money. If one is gonna have that attitude they should not be living in mansions.

 

so... these magical "studies" prove your point. got it.

Actually, I can recall several studies that show that conservatives are more likely to have sexual relations with animals. Don't believe me? go find them yourself.

 

So... wealthy people like, say Bill Gates, who firmly advocates that the wealthy should pay a higher marginal income tax...even though he gives away BILLIONS to charity... you think he should live in a modest ranch home in a simple subdivision to avoid being "hypocritical"???? really????

that is really hilarious.

 

Land is already taxed at the local level.. property taxes support schools, fire depts, sheriffs, libraries, & other local services. They are usually taxed at valuation, so more expensive property is supporting the services more than cheaper property.

In the us, land is reasonably cheap in many places.. i know illegal aliens who have bought a cheap house. People rent for different reasons. It is a service offered. I build a house, then rent it to you. If you want, you can buy or build your own house. The markets dictate the going rents, except in some price fixed big cities.

I don't see any difference between land ownership & any other business, property, or investments. With your system, someone who buys a house, then retires, will have to pay taxes on the land, but not the retirement income. Those with low incomes or minimal pensions will see their house eat their income. I don't see anything fair about this. Tax income.. investment or earned. Exempt those under a certain level, but don't penalize them because they bought a house.

Owning a house is not an unalienable right. We need protection from the elements, but that could be a cave or a tent. Someone has to build a house with labor. I don't see anything unfair about that person selling or renting that house to someone, based on the size, location, and other demand factors. If they build a car, washing machine, or computer you would allow them to keep any profits. I don't see the difference.

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. ~Karl Marx

 

That's the theory.The theory behind redistrubution of wealth.
Let a Big Brother decide just how much you benefitted and how
much you Owe.What about that Poor man.Beneffiting from Society's
Great Society approach of safety nets.Doesn't that poor man owe
something back.Apparently not.Almost 50% of Americans don't pay any income tax.In the least the Poor should be made work off their
safety net.I think that is a plan that Gingrich espouses.
Because in an entitlement society Greece is what becomes.
Not very becoming in hindsight.

 

What are some examples of how the rich "a$s-rape" the poor and middle class here in the US?

I have asked this many times and as of yet I've not gotten any answer except for a few multi-national corporations taking the jobs to other countries. ( US taxing will not catch those guys; they'll just show a loss in the US and all their profits made in another country. Just sayin' )

 

No,actually it's ALL those Idiots who appear on - Maury - and
- Jerry Springer - who are literally raping this country.
The ones who purposefully have " Illegitimate " or Fatherless
births.Right there is a Rape on the social conscious of a society.
Those single-moms will inevitably lead lives of desperation due
to the buden of their poor choices in life.Meaning TOO much
casual sex.Instead of focusing on the Rich who don't complicate
Society by " Illegitimate " births, the Politicians should address this current
new wave of exploding " Illegitmate " births.In my day it was unheard
of.Those engaged were so far on the other side of the tracks,they couldn't
even make it into Town.
This is an irrefutable result of L.B.J.'s Great Society approach.
Where Welfare Moms or Welfare Witches were created almost
out of whole cloth.
It's the Democrats who created and popularized this Problem
and are the very same ones unwilling to speak it's name.
" The Love that dare not speak it's name " !

 

Yes, sadly, conservatives DO screw liberals all too often. Handed you a chance to prove me wrong, you ran away,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

ran away? I laughed at your magical studies that you seem to recall but can't produce. I merely pointed out that I knew a few of those myself.

If you make BS statements, you should have the stats to back them up, I think.

 

Stillw aiting for you to show me ONE REPUBLICAN who called for higher taxes on the voters and was busted for cheating on his/her own persoanl taxes

That is the point I am making and the one you are ducking

Libs know darn well that raising taxes will not help solve the deficit issue just as they refuse to make REAL cuts in spending

They simply want more money to spend as that is where they get their power

and people like you go along with them and allow them to continue to run up the balance on the nations credit card

 

Reminds me of Mr Global Warming Al Gore

Here is a clown who flies around the world in a private jet telling us to stop using so much energy, to cutback, and lower our standard of living for the good of the pleanet

and he turns around and buys this "modest" home




BTW, from what I have read there are NO solar panels on the house - but there are 6 fireplaces


It is so typical of the left. Do not do as I do, do as I say

 

Red States Rule, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. People have been so inundated with lies and socialist/big business propaganda that even basic economic principles are alien concepts.

When you can ignore the fate of entire nations that were the U.S.S.R and China pre-capitalization of their economy you are obviously no longer capable of rational or individual thinking. Many of these folks have lived such sheltered lives they won't realize the error of their ways until it all comes crashing down on them and find that without their "rich" scapegoats, they only have themselves to blame.

 

It is very clear now why the symbol of the Dem party is a jackass

 

Haha, touche. Perhaps they should change the saying to, "you can lead a jackass to water..."

 

Libs are rantng about this "fairness" thing and I have to ask when has any nation NOT had poor people?

This country has spent over $9 trillion on social programs to wipe out poverty and yet 4o plus years later, libs want more money and higher taxes so they can throw more money at the problem

Seems to me libs want income equality by taking the nation back to the 1930's where everyone was equally poor

 

You are missing the point. People can do what they want with THEIR money. Once you start telling people what they SHOULD be doing with their money you are over the line.

Bill Gates does not live a galmourous life as far as I can see. He is the exception. John Kerry, for example, will give lip service about higher taxes and then have his accounting team manuever his assets to avoid paying certain taxes. Kerry is one of the wealthiest politicians in the US.

 

Bill Gates lives in a huge mansion AND he gives billions away in charity AND he advocates that the rich pay a higher marginal tax. So...according to you, he should abandon his home and live in a quiet subdivision somewhere with two bedrooms and 2.5 baths.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. The only individuals or groups which benefit (financially) from government spending are landowners. Government spending increases the productivity of land and increases its value, that is all.

If the government spends billions on a new highway, will the minimum wage go up? NO! But the value of land anywhere near the new highway will skyrocket in value.

Taxing productive labor and trade only serves to transfer money from the working class to the landowning class. That makes taxes on labor and trade UNFAIR. Since landowners gain the entire financial benefits of government spending it is FAIR that landowners pay for ALL the government spending.

You obviously do not understand the relationship. Please read this before you comment further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

 

The irony here is that the "red states" on average use the most government services and social programs. Yet they rail against the government and social programs the most.
Do they understand the term "biting the hand that feeds you?"

 

well.... since republicans never want to raise taxes on anyone for any reason (they only like to SPEND money on idiotic wars and give away money to big pharmacy companies) there are probably no instances of republicans being hypocritical on this particular issue. Kind of like saying there are no black americans who are demanding to be forced to sit in the back of the bus.... not exactly a huge surprise. What is interesting is that you make a HUGE deal out of democratic hypocrisy about this issue but turn a completely blind eye to republican hypocrisy about anything else. Hypocrisy is only noteworthy when a democrat does it, right? Party over country seems to be how you operate.

 

party over country for those folks, or so it seems, eh?