The Income Tax is Slavery

The utter oppressive Police and Military State is the problem more than anything. That an public unions.

 

The moment you arrive on your desert island, your response will become meaningful. Until then, you reap the benefits of a society that is established by majority rule. You have the right to influence the society to adopt your viewpoint, though most won't so you are in a bit of a bind. I hear there are a few islands left unpopulated in the South Pacific.

 

People should not be forced to pay for anything, except maybe, essential government functions. But I don't trust The State to take care of anything really..that's the problem.

 

Why do you believe that people don't have a right to the fruit of their own labor, if the tax rate is not one hundred percent?

 

I believe they do. You don't.

 

This presumes that the state has a just ownership claim over my property, which it doesn't.

 

So...you're saying death and taxes are unavoidable???

 

No. How could you possibly draw that conclusion from what I've said?

 

Sorry, old man, it does. When that strange document called the constitution was ratified, you lost control of your wealth - of course before that England claimed rights. So, basically you have not had the rights you claim since man became remotely civilized. As one who does not recognize even the basics of civilization, this might trouble you, but don't give it a thought. Civilized man has been dealing with it for centuries.

 

I subscribe to the federal doctrine and believe in rights to private property.

 

Oh my, an ""I'm more civilized than you" argument.
Top notch.
Next step, the graduation of fourth grade.

 

You have found a wonderful to be depressed and ignorant at the same time.

I am a psychiatrist. I will treat you for $600 an hour.

And pay 15% in tax to the government. Since you are best regarded as a capital gain.

 

So if some old men sign a piece of paper 200 years ago, I lose my property?

So if some guy plants a flag somewhere in the name of King So-and-So, I lose my property?

All these words to excuse the brutality of the system.

 

No, you don't. You may think you do, but in advocating taxation, you show yourself to dispute a person's dominion over the fruits of his labor.

 

All money belongs to the government. It can do whatever it wants with it. Have you ever seen any money with your name on it?

 

So does that mean none of us have to pay any taxes? Will that work?

 

If you are going to resort to that game, then, merely advocating bearing false witness to our own supreme law of the land is a form of immorality.

Our republican form of government ensures rights in private property.

 

I heard the founders considered putting in a constitutional right to property but failed to.
I guess they thought it was one of the self evident or other unenumerated rights of the people?

 

That right is usually found in State constitutions; our federal Constitution guarantees due process and equality of privileges and immunities of the citizens of the several States.

 

No, I haven't seen my name, but you don't understand money if you think it should belong to the Government. Say you make and sell watches. I want to buy one with you. I want to give you something of mine in order to get that watch, so I will give you something of value. Normally, I may give you some gold, or some other commodity, but we created paper money in order to aid and expedite the process.

So for you to say that money belongs to the government is fallacious. Money is something of value that is used to barter. They don't own the watch that you make. The printing presses belong to the Government, and it's the means by which they take your money (through inflation). Ask Alan Greenspan, who said that without a gold standard, there's nothing to prevent the confiscation of wealth.

 

NO NO NO NO. READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY YOU FOOL.

I have said NOTHING about nearly all taxes that we pay.

I am talking about ONE kind of tax. The income tax.

There are tons of taxes which are good, legal, and don't undermine your human right to own property. Most local taxes which pay for police departments, roads, and consumption taxes are fine, and I'm not talking about those.

Remember that the Income Tax is only primarily used to pay for Big-State programs like S.S., Medicare, Medicaid, and the Militarism abroad. Without those things, civilization won't fall apart. Those welfare programs can be paid for and managed at the state level. There can be another Federal tax (not on income) which pays for a smaller Military.

For you to assume that my argument is "no one should pay any taxes" means you either read poorly or are purposefully trolling me.

 

I can't read your first sentence, so your skills with the English language say one thing about your intelligence.

From what I've experienced in my psychology classes and from what I've heard from my friends in grad school, the fact you are a psychiatrist speaks only to your ability to jump through the widest of hoops, and hurdle over the lowest of obstacles. It is so easy to excel in the social science departments of the University system that the qualification you've given yourself, in fact, brings you down to the level of a smart ape.

Instead of attacking me, baselessly, address the logic which I have put forth (if you are able).

 

"Our" this and "our" that. You still seem to think I place any value whatsoever in the United States government or consider it any more representative of me that a pharaoh in ancient Egypt. All of Washington DC could be beamed into a flying saucer and zipped the other side of the galaxy, and I'd consider it a happy day.

 

China and Vietnam currently protect property rights better than the US

In the DOC "pursuit of happiness" was substituted for property due to some founders having an issue with slavery.

 

The problem was some people at that time considered slaves property and others did not want the constitution to be interpreted as an endorsement of the right to own other people.